On 8/26/2019 7:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 9:33 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 8/26/2019 6:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
What does "distinct" mean in that? It's a
distinction you make because
you can think of a brain and processes of the
brain as separate. Just
like you can think of an automobile plant as
distinct from the steps
required to make a car. But that doesn't mean
that a car can be made
without any physical process.
It is distinct in the sense that bits are
different from electrical voltages or scribbles on
paper.
Yes and insurance is different from cash. So
what? A bit is just a physical thing that you
choose to regard purely in terms of its
computational relations...we calll the
"abstractions" for a reason.
Under your own definition of abstraction above, there
is a distinction between a mind and a brain. There's
not an identity relation between the two, as one
discards unnecessary details.
"Unnecessary" to what?
The specification of the mind.
But you don't know that. You're merely assuming that a mind
can be specified without reference to a physical world in
which it exists.
If functionalism is true, and if it's description is not
infinite, then it can be.
But one of the specifications of the mind may be that it's
physically instantiated. Otherwise it couldn't perceive or act.
You agreed that the computation would act the same regardless of the
source of the information. So I don't know why you think it would not
act.
The mind needs a body to act. The mind is a process in the brain or
computer. As a process per se it can't act.
Brent
Also, you agreed "physical" is just a relation between an observer and
a structure which might be mathematical. So what makes any Turing
machine any more or less capable than any other for processing an
observer?
Jason
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