Vic Stenger was a good writer, but like Horgan, never tried to data-mine science for something practically, useful. This discussion winds down to a bar-fight over Leibniz's Identity of Indiscernibles. Once we get really good telescopes out to the Kuiper Belt or Oort, I am guessing new observations will modify what we already think we know, and add to it. Think of cosmology as a pattern of emergences. The 4 forces, chemistry, complexity, yeah, life, at least around these parts. Are we a fluke of emerging/chemistry? Well, some days before coffee, I would tend to agree, thus, reinforcing the fluke hypothesis indicating the doors of perception can be altered, chemically.
-----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> To: Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 4:01 pm Subject: Re: "The Delusion of Scientific Omniscience" (John Horgan) On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 1:09:49 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, September 7, 2019 at 10:36:08 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: I think the measurement problem ultimately needs a theory of consciousness to bottom out, and I think computationalism and the "engineering theory of consciousness" will fill that need. Brent That measurement needs consciousness to "bottom out" is crazier than panpsychism (except maybe cosmopsychism). (Think of what Vic would say.) @philipthrift To be honest I think Vic would be disappointed in all this silliness over panpsychism. Remember he kept writing on the unconscious quantum. LC-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0928eae4-66ca-4bdd-b4e8-e104006dcd63%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1581919391.4161390.1567888234261%40mail.yahoo.com.
