> On 13 Sep 2019, at 13:53, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:14 AM Quentin Anciaux <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Wel if by "dualist soul" you mean something immaterial about our > > consciousness (like I don't know information) can be duplicated then yes it > > is dualist and any computational theory of mind is dualist in this sense > > then. > > Yes I agree completely. I'm a dualist but there is nothing mystical about > that, I just believe that nouns and adjectives refer to different things, > nouns refer to physical objects and adjectives refer to nouns.
A noun refers to any object (that a mind can conceive). With mechanism, you are not identical with your atoms configurations, which change all the time already, and even more when each morning you change of body (which makes sense in the Mechanism frame). But you keep your noun in the process, and indeed, with Mechanism you are the owner of your body, but you are not identical with your body. But you are right: if you believe in mind and matter you are a dualist. The problem is how you relate the mind and the body. If ten very different computers (physical or not) emulate your current brain process, you will have ten bodies, and your mind will not be related to “only one” of them. Your consciousness is not localised, and eventually the idea of locality of consciousness is a mind construct (again, assuming Mechanism all along). > > > I suppose you would say that if someone believe "he" can be copied and > > uploaded in a virtual environment then he is a dualist > > I agree again. A standard dictionary will say Information is a noun but I > think that demonstrates an inconsistency in human language because adjectives > describe nouns and so does information. In the case of uploads information > describes the way generic atoms are arranged, and this time I agree with the > dictionary, atoms are nouns. Arrange atoms one way and they're me, arrange > those exact same atoms another way and they're you. Atoms are not really nouns, but atoms can have nouns, but then numbers have noun too. To say that noun applied only to physical material token necessity the belief in some primary substance, which does not work with digital mechanism. Bruno > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2DGXZzQfdH4wxwO0YXMaB7SAOP12XoK2C7oimWPskxdQ%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2DGXZzQfdH4wxwO0YXMaB7SAOP12XoK2C7oimWPskxdQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/015EF49C-275D-4D2A-9719-A4780112D457%40ulb.ac.be.
