On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:33 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:08:16 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:02:39 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 4:51 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 3:54:46 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 9:22 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *> When physics began to give non-intuitive results, in QM >>>>>> and Relativity, people when overboard. Now any patently absurd result >>>>>> finds >>>>>> its justification among true believers.* >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And in this context "patently absurd" means odd, not logically >>>>> contradictory not paradoxical not contrary to experimental results, just >>>>> odd. But as far as we know there is no law that says nature can't behave >>>>> in >>>>> ways that humans find odd. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Many "odd" results are now mainstream, but MWI is bridge too far, way >>>> too far IMO. Why don't you just accept that the wf is simply irrelevant >>>> after the measurement occurs like in the horserace example?. Here, there's >>>> no collapse, no many worlds, no need to explain where the energy comes from >>>> which defines these worlds, and so forth? AG >>>> >>> >>> Except that horses and horse races do not interfere (except in >>> Australia, where several jockeys and trainers have recently been suspended >>> for unauthorised interference -- but that is a different matter!) >>> >>> Bruce >>> >> >> I know. I was just being illustrative. But note that Carroll says much >> the same thing when he says worlds are created when you make a left or >> right turn, or flip a coin (or some equivalent analogy). AG >> > > But suppose you flip a coin and while it's in the air, you write its wf. > Since the prevailing belief is that all objects are quantum objects, why > can't one suppose that the two terms in the superposition, head and tail, > manifest quantum interference? AG > Why can't one observe a superposition of a live cat and a dead cat? The problem is decoherence, and coin tosses are totally decohered -- no quantum superpositions left. So one is reduced to standard classical ignorance probability . Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLTRmzb0sbF6G5%2ByBiX8uv_HTErDgQOdS2OZUJx5occykA%40mail.gmail.com.
