On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:14:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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> On 9/18/2019 3:02 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: 
> > I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system 
> > with computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or 
> > perfectly simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake 
> > from the surgery thinking he/she's the same person, like awakening 
> > from unremarkable surgery. From my pov, this belief is a huge, huge 
> > stretch since we can even define what consciousness IS. 
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> Define in terms of what?  We define it ostensively.  How would it help 
> to define it in words? 
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> Brent 
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I think you've nailed the problem. We don't know how to define 
"consciousness". In terms of what? Presumably it's properties, as we define 
other entities in physics, such as the electron. Who was the SC justice who 
said you know pornography when you see it, but you can't define it prior to 
the observation?  So far, the most we can say about consciousness, that is, 
its properties, is that it's self-referential. AG

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