On 9/19/2019 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Sep 2019, at 22:18, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
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On 9/16/2019 5:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
As I said I my other post, it is just Descartes’ idea that our body obeys laws 
which are locally computable, made precise by using Turing mathematical 
definition of computability. It is the hypothesis that there no magic happening 
in the brain, somehow. Or that the brain is Digitally emulable *at some 
description level* relevant for staying alive and well.
But then you conclude that physical objects, like brains, are not Turing 
computable...and thus arrive at contradiction to your starting hypothesis.
No. As the reasoning show only that the particular matter used in the digital 
substitution does not matter, which we knew at the start.

To get a contradiction you need to show that the matter that we observed is 
differ,t from the matter brought bay the infinitely many computations 
statistically interfering below our substitution level, but we do find there 
exactly what nature shows us there.

It's hard to parse what that means.  But I think it says that we have to infer the structure of matter entailed by the UD using some statistics (not clear which) and compare this to the matter we observed (where?  in the brain? in the digital substitute?).  This reminds me of string theory. It's so complicated we can't figure out what it implies, but we're sure that if we did there would be no contradiction with observation.

Brent

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