> On 31 Oct 2019, at 21:08, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:23 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 8:55:45 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 9:00 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <>> wrote: > > >>> I have no evidence that christianity was a fraud before 529. > > >> So you believe Jesus was the son of God, that God sent His only son to > >> Earth so humans could torture him to death because that was the only way > >> God could forgive them for eating an apple? You believe Jesus could turn > >> water into wine and rose from the dead? I think Bigfoot and flying saucer > >> men in New Mexico is far more likely. > > >>> I have no clue that judaism, has eve been a fraud, > > >>So you believe in a talking snake, Noah's Ark, and God creating the > >>universe in 4004 BC in just 6 days? > John K Clark > > > What is written here: > > "So according to "material-intrinsic semantics" the 4 that a vacuum tube > computer produces when it adds 2+2 is not the same 4 that a transistor > computer produces when it adds 2+2 ... So how can a serious person consider > anything as monumentally silly as a computational theory involving > "material-intrinsic semantics"?" > John K Clark > > > is just as anti-material (belief in immaterial things) as the stories > > above. So that's why you can't criticize Bruno's view. > > It's true, just like Bruno I also believe in the existence of immaterial > things. I believe that adjectives exist and in fact I am one, I am the way > atoms behave when they are organized in a Johnkclarkian way. I disagree with > Bruno in that I maintain adjectives can not exist without nouns existing > first, but Bruno claims they can.
Nope. I need nouns too. Here are the nouns I use: K, S, (K K), (K S), etc. Or, 0, s(0), s(s(0)), … You can chose. I need nouns and predicate, that is why I use first order logic, which gives the means to handle noun, properties, predicates, etc. > > I believe in other non-material things too. Adjectives describe what nouns > are, verbs describe what nouns do, and adverbs describe verbs. All of those > things exist, but it all starts with nouns, without them you've got nothing > not even time because time needs change and without nouns that obey the laws > of physics nothing would change. With arithmetic, all changes can be obtained from the successor relation (the physical changes are harder, but comes in some of the self-referential modes, as I explained in the papers or sometimes here). With the combinators, change is provided by the K and S axioms. No need to invoke an ontological commitment in some magical stuff which would be responsible for all the rest, as such magical stuff would need to be able to make some computations more real than other, when what is needed is that some computations get a bigger relative measure, which is provided by the self-reference,tial “observable modes”. Bruno > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0Vn2fp_CG9gmk4Y6rH12HwGzK33sj-gNFZMxQJ%3Dhyprg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0Vn2fp_CG9gmk4Y6rH12HwGzK33sj-gNFZMxQJ%3Dhyprg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/C4B1F105-B79D-490F-A280-0B997F8A5FD7%40ulb.ac.be.
