> On 2 May 2020, at 17:33, Philip Benjamin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:26 AM Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of > Reality > [Bruno Marchal] > That [in red italics at the bottom] is a bit unclear to me. At least Einstein > knew that Materialism, or the belief in a physical universe is a religious, > mystical sort of belief. With mechanism, we can formulate the mind-bod > problem into a testable theory, so let continue the testing, and let us do > philosophy/metaphysics/theology (chose you favorite name for the fundamental > science) with the scientific attitude. Bruno > [Philip Benjamin] > I recognize the difficulty here. The general tendency of the “educated” West > is to treat all and everything alike, but that is far from the reality of > things as they are, especially between the East and West as exemplified by > the ballad of Rudyard Kipling. Perhaps, Einstein had his own mystical notions > of reality,
Yes. He made that clear in some of his philosophical writing. He remained Aristotelian, but with the awareness that this is already a mystical insight. Eventually, he understood that he could be wrong on this during his late discussion with Gödel (who was not a naturalist). > but that is distinctly different from Bohr’s Taoism. My understanding of Bohr is that he was a dualist, even ready to believe in a duality classical/quantum, related to a duality micro/macro, if not mind/matter. > Yin-Yang has nothing to do with particle or wave. There was no need to change > the de Broglie’s wave-likenessto Bohr’s waviness; the former is subject to an > AS IF logic, the latter is a BOTH & fallacy. Furthermore. Bohr indulged in > the circular reasoning of consciousness (of what?, of whose?) collapsing > wavefunction (of what?, electrons?, nucleons?) which collapse then creates > consciousness. He had already assigned the electrons to various predetermined > “stationary orbits” or “energy levels”. They are all already collapsed > everywhere, including the slits, into rock solidenergy levels. Which makes you assertion of Bohr being a taoist even more intriguing. Taoism is usually considered as a monism. > Let me jump here to Augustine, the architect of Western civilization, > completely ignored or detested by the WAMP. He was a Phoenician pagan > profligate. He was a christian reader of Plotinus. He is the one saving Plato in the christian tradition. I have a rather high opinion, if we abstract from its antisemitism (but that was common those days, if not nowadays). > His “consciousness” was instantly transformed by an event caused by > “accidental” singing of children in a park > (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine > <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwestaugustinians.org%2Fconversion-of-st-augustine&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826351548&sdata=NtSglu0noFHsvcIl4IqFHQR1dNeWcyMiki4W5tKt3VQ%3D&reserved=0>), > most likelyunknown to Bohr who was also an indirect or incidental > beneficiary of that “quickening”. How can any science account for that? You might read my paper on the West and the East. Science predict a sort of experience of that kind (and many others) to all universal machine looking inward (in the sense of Gödel). > Augustine bridged the gap between the wisdom of Athens (classical > antiquity) with the Revelations of Jerusalem (Hebrew knowledge) and with the > glory of Rome (City of God, 413–426/427, was written when the empire was > under attack by Germanic pagan tribes with un-awakened consciousness,...). He > did it by “baptizing” Platonic metaphysics, epistemology and ideas of > “forms”, into the Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural) as a > source of absolute goodness and truth. If it were not so, Western science > could never have originated or developed. I tend to agree with this, but have to continue the research. > Bohr probably would have been practicing Lotus Pose of meditation. To me, this applies perhaps better to Schroedinger, except that he uses the Hindu vocabulary. > > Questions of aseity, infinite regress, origin, morals, meaning, eschaton etc. > are not within the scope of any science. I might disagree. Especially if you keep in mind that theology ws born as a science, before becoming an institionised oppression system, when separated from science for that purpose. But I do not believe in science per se, only in the scientific attitude, and this is only the skeptical doubting attitude, and the awareness we never known the truth as such. Science like intelligence is only the ability to say “oh! I was wrong”. > For Augustine and the West (not the WAMP) the buck stopped at Adonai (plural) > YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural), not some nebulous Maya, or Moksha or > Nirvana from which nobody ever returned to tell the truth!! In the theology of the universal machine, like in Taoism, those who have the experience will never “tell the truth”, because it is simply beyond anything that we can describe, and attempt to do that can only lead to confusion if not lies. We can only encourage people to see by themselves, or to reason in the frame of some hypothesis. Some plant can help, like Salvia divinorum, as it provides (with some luck) a rather special version of the Dream Argument, with a vengeance. It does not provide any revelation, but can shaken all certainties that some people can have in that domain. That is also why so many people dislike it a lot … With logic and mathematics, you need 30 years of hard work to get the same certainty-shaking … I am not sure why you are so dismissing of Maya, Nirvana, especially that this seem to be human accessible state, even if we can say nothing about them. Bruno > > Philip Benjamin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On 1 May 2020, at 17:15, Philip Benjamin <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > [Philip Benjamin] > The WAMP (defined elsewhere below) has done it again with respect to the > pandemic COVID-19. Here the observer (National Geographic) about New > Zealand’s elimination of COVID-19 is completely devoid of reality and creates > one’s own non-existent reality. That is typical of the WAMP and their captive > audience of science challenged politicians, bureaucrats, journalists etc. The > physicist Richard Feynman: “Nature does not know what you are looking at, and > she behaves the way she is going to behave whether you bother to take down > the data or not.” > > OK, with “you” = a human. It is less obvious with “you” = a universal number, > living in arithmetic (with or without oracles). > From time immemorial the world had survived many pestilences by herd > immunity. The West survived the Plague (Black Death), Spanish Flu (did not > originate in Spain!) and Yellow Fever, without GIGO computer models of expert > “pagans” with un-awakened, un-Augustinian consciousness! > (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine > <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwestaugustinians.org%2Fconversion-of-st-augustine&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826351548&sdata=NtSglu0noFHsvcIl4IqFHQR1dNeWcyMiki4W5tKt3VQ%3D&reserved=0>). > > > I am not sure a computer can really avoid this ... > Then the tools available were only commonsense, herd immunity, change of > weather (higher temperature) etc. What is useful to about 5 million people of > New Zealand (equivalent to 0.06% of the total world population) is not > applicable to the whole world. > Science is the pursuit of truth, not the truth itself. > > OK. Sure! > It is observation, experimentation, analysis, and inference. No science is > perfect, biological sciences are the least precise and perfect. Unfortunately > many politicians, bureaucrats and journalists have become worshippers of the > goddess of science. > > That is what we call scientism. It is of course the opposite of science, > which is mainly modesty (and not condescendent gfke modesty, but the modesty > raised by genuine doubt and the spirit of research). > > “The word science has become their ‘Abracadabra’ incantation. An un-awakened > pagan consciousness is an easy victim of scientism. > OK. > The Western Civilization is (rather was) primarily Augustinian (who was once > a Phoenician profligate and immoral pagan (Pan-Gaia-n, Mother Earth devotee) > with un-awakened consciousness). America in particular is the product of “Two > Great Awakenings” which are both historic and historical. Child prodigy > Jonathan Edwards, founder of Princeton University, was a leader of the first > Awakening. Tao, TM. Yoga, spirit-guides, witchcraft, occultism, Freudian > foibles, Jungian sorceries, voodoo etc., etc. have nothing to do with such > awakenings of reptilian, kundalini, raw, “dead”, pagan consciousness into > non-pagan “quickened” consciousness. The difference between the two is > clearly manifested / observed in the consciousness of Tao physicist Niels > Bohr and the Puritan physicist Michel Faraday. Bohr’s philosophy was shunned > by the eminent Alfred Einstein whose favorite scientist was Faraday. > > That is a bit unclear to me. At least Einstein knew that Materialism, or the > belief in a physical universe is a religious, mystical sort of belief. With > mechanism, we can formulate the mind-bod problem into a testable theory, so > let continue the testing, and let us do philosophy/metaphysics/theology > (chose you favorite name for the fundamental science) with the scientific > attitude. > > Bruno > > > > > > > Evidentialist > Philip Benjamin > CC. Journalist Aaron Gulley. Communication & Education Depts. NZ. > > Definition of WAMP. The self-righteous, grubering, intolerant > WAMP-the-Ingrate = Western Acade-Media Paganism (parody of WASP). Academedia > (acade-media): The monstrous double headed hybrid of a small minority of all > academics including seminarians and a large majority of all media including > the Hollywood, with no-question-asked Marxist-like authoritarianism as their > modus operandi. Based on the works of Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Ben Stein, Victor > Mordecai, ex-Marxist David Horowitz > > When decoupled at death the bio dark-matter body will be relatively at a > negative energy state by -E = mC^2 where m is the dead body mass. That will > be the magnitude of the threshold external energy needed to raise the bio > dark matter body to any functional state (Physical resurrection for example). > <>In an early termination of pregnancy in humans, a durable and precocial > bio dark-matter twin, co-created at the moment of conception, can survive the > altricial light-matter twin. > > Adapted from "Ten Implications of Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry <>"(ResearchGate) > and "Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit" Sunbury Press, by Philip Benjamin > PhD MSc > MAhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications > > <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826361542&sdata=wWmecGLQnR%2FUqE2qy7SBInrlSaE1hoeiziD9nmIcL2U%3D&reserved=0>https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy > > <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpost%2FIs_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826371539&sdata=6%2Fl5Ml0dNo6%2BQThEHha3Ip9Za45aIzVFnHYr0v7MKE4%3D&reserved=0> > > > Aaron Gulley National Geographic. 4-30-2020 > https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/2020/04/what-new-zealand-did-right-in-battling-coronavirus/ > > <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalgeographic.com%2Ftravel%2F2020%2F04%2Fwhat-new-zealand-did-right-in-battling-coronavirus%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826381537&sdata=uYIBvjeDGsLZ0PZMEEbbExXnY5c1bZMNKd3TndVzyQY%3D&reserved=0> > > https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-has-effectively-eliminated-coronavirus-heres-what-they-did-right/ > > <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com%2Fen-us%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Fnew-zealand-has-effectively-eliminated-coronavirus-heres-what-they-did-right%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0a8b43a710e049bc710408d7ee9c67a9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637240227826391527&sdata=psADbHkt2C19sjX6TxbkKV5OETKcJUoY8ldTiGqHdqE%3D&reserved=0> > “New Zealand has set an uncompromising, science-driven example. Though the > country didn’t ban travel from China until February 3 (a day after the United > States) and its trajectory of new cases looked out of control in mid-March, > austerity measures seemingly have brought COVID-19 to heel. New Zealand had > set a course of eradicating COVID-19 from its shores, by cutting off the > arrival of new cases and choking out existing ones with the restrictions. “We > have the opportunity to do something no other country has achieved: > elimination of the virus,” said Ardern at one of her daily briefings. > From: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 6:29 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality > > > On 29 Apr 2020, at 16:12, Philip Benjamin <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > No, “the homogeneity of the CMB” tells NOTHING about causality, origin, > meaning, morals, eschaton or infinite regress. It simply believes that CNB is > homogeneous, that is all. What is MORE rational? Life-less CMB is aseitousand > produce life? Or, INTELLIGENT LIFE is aseitous and create both dead matter, > CMB and life? These issues are beyond the scope of any true Science which > begins with observation and then proceed to experimentation, analysis and > inferences. > > > That is right. Observation can refute a theory, but the theory is in our > head, and with mechanism: it is in the head of all universal number, and it > is a purely mathematical problem to extract it from there, and then we can > compare to nature to refute (locally) the theory, but thanks to QM, mechanism > is totally vindicated, up to now. > > Bruno > > > > > > > Philip Benjamin. > > From: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Lawrence Crowell > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:36 PM > To: Everything List <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality > > On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 10:00:35 AM UTC-5, medinuclear wrote: > [Philip Benjamin] > What logically coherent, empirically evident, experientially valid, answer > can science or the WAMP give to the questions of aseity, causality, origin, > meaning, morals, eschaton? > Philip Benjamin > > It had some impact on causality and origin. The CMB is a remnant of big bang, > which has some contact with origins.The homogeneity of the CMB tells us > something about how in a primordial setting this was all in causal contact. > The other 4 things are of course off the science chart. > LC > From: everyth...@ <>googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/> <everyth...@ > <>googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/>> On Behalf Of Lawrence Crowell > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:51 AM > To: Everything List <everyth...@ <>googlegroups.com > <http://googlegroups.com/>> > Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality > No it is not OK. Religion is based on the idea that truth is handed down by > a divine authority. 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