> On 5 May 2020, at 00:52, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Theology has nothing to do with science.
I guess you mean that the particular implementation of christian theology is not science. I am rather OK with this. By theology, I mean the neoplatonist theologies, which was born before Plato (btw). It is the science of what is real, and it was born from the doubt that the physical universe is ontologically real. It is the original doubt at the origin of science, but today, some scientist are still confusing science and the Aristotelian materialist ontology, which is rather normal as it is the enforced paradigm by all gnostic today (gnostic atheists included). Science is doubt. Fundamental science is fundamental doubt. > There are what might be called pre-scientific thinking as a branch of > philosophy. Science though came about from the ideas of Roger Bacon and were > applied and firmed up by Galileo. Theology predates that by centuries. I > would say Christian theology came about with Augustine in the early 5th > century. Augustine is mainly neoplatonism with christian clothes. That is a bit problematic, as it made the vocabulary of the neoplatonist close to the vocabulary of the christians. People rejecting the chrotsians doctrine can wrongly reject neoplatonism, as they see similar terms, and was a rather similar doctrine for the “augustinian”. Such neoplatonist Christianity will disappear after the Renaissance, with the quasi institutionalisation of Aristotle’s doctrine of primary matter. > It is reasonable to say that science emerged from philosophy combined with > the practical arts such as metallurgy, glass making, tool making and so > forth. There were some pre-scientists, Greeks such as a Democritus and > medieval scholars such as Oresme and Grosseteste did some attempts at > science, but they did not have the discipline with empiricism quite right. > This was emerging as a branch of philosophy. Theology predated medieval > pre-science by centuries. I think, through the Mechanist glasses, that the occidental science is born with Pythagorus, and died with Damascius. Today, many people believe that science is (weakly) materialist, but science is ontologically neutral, especially theology. We cannot claim the existence of any form of whole ins science, unless we make precise the theory and the means of verification, which is of course an heretic attitude for most “institutionalised theology/science”. To claim that a reality satisfying my beliefs exists violate mechanism + incompleteness, despite being “first person obvious”. You light read my paper on the arithmetical interpretation of Plotinus, (it can be lifted to Augustne), and is vindicated by quantum mechanics, without any serious interpretation problem. Materialist believer hates this, for obvious reason. Bruno > > LC > > On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:00:54 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 5/4/2020 4:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > I might disagree. Especially if you keep in mind that theology ws born > > as a science, before becoming an institionised oppression system, when > > separated from science for that purpose. > > Yes, it was born as explanation for natural phenomena in terms of human > emotions, because human emotion was directly experienced and seemed to > need no explanation. So when a storm was explained as the sky became > angry that seemed easy to believe and one had only to discern why the > sky was angry. The priest or chief or your mother explained it was > because you didn't sacrifice a goat to him, or you disobeyed a rule, or > you didn't eat your spinach. But there were many phenomena. Monotheism > simplified the system and provided one-stop shopping...as soon as a few > wars and inquisitions settled which one God was the really real one. > > Brent > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/380ab766-1e4f-4e30-b6e9-fdda29d50f14%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/380ab766-1e4f-4e30-b6e9-fdda29d50f14%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/F16D7BF8-72D0-4661-88D7-1BAFACDE25A3%40ulb.ac.be.
