> On 5 May 2020, at 01:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > You're leaving out the pre-historic part. Among primitive peoples, > explanations are mixtures of supernatural agency, empirical knowledge, and > magic. Magic and empiricism gave rise to alchemy and attempts to control > supernatural agents thru spells and incantations; which led eventually to > astronomy and science. I don't identify science only with mathematical > reasoning.
Just to be sure: me neither. Science is, before all things, observation, then followed by theories and doubts. Science is 1) do you see what I see, followed by 2) do you believe what I believe? The belief should be testable, and that jump on “1)” again, and again. Bruno > The guy who learned to fletch arrows to make them fly true was doing > science. So was they guy who found his crops grew better if he added manure. > So was the guy who learned the stars could predict how long until springtime. > > Supernatural agency plus magic gave rise to shamans and priests and religion. > It gave comfort and control (c.f. The Grand Inquisitor). It's > telling that among the most primitive people the agents are natural > phenomenon, like storms and volcanoes, or powerful animals, like bears and > lions. But as humans became dominant the agents became super men and women. > > So I don't think of theology as pre-dating science. I just think science and > magic and religion were a single kind of thing which eventually separated > into the threads we identify today. > > Brent > > On 5/4/2020 3:52 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> Theology has nothing to do with science. There are what might be called >> pre-scientific thinking as a branch of philosophy. Science though came about >> from the ideas of Roger Bacon and were applied and firmed up by Galileo. >> Theology predates that by centuries. I would say Christian theology came >> about with Augustine in the early 5th century. It is reasonable to say that >> science emerged from philosophy combined with the practical arts such as >> metallurgy, glass making, tool making and so forth. There were some >> pre-scientists, Greeks such as a Democritus and medieval scholars such as >> Oresme and Grosseteste did some attempts at science, but they did not have >> the discipline with empiricism quite right. This was emerging as a branch of >> philosophy. Theology predated medieval pre-science by centuries. >> >> LC >> >> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:00:54 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 5/4/2020 4:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> > I might disagree. Especially if you keep in mind that theology ws born >> > as a science, before becoming an institionised oppression system, when >> > separated from science for that purpose. >> >> Yes, it was born as explanation for natural phenomena in terms of human >> emotions, because human emotion was directly experienced and seemed to >> need no explanation. So when a storm was explained as the sky became >> angry that seemed easy to believe and one had only to discern why the >> sky was angry. The priest or chief or your mother explained it was >> because you didn't sacrifice a goat to him, or you disobeyed a rule, or >> you didn't eat your spinach. But there were many phenomena. Monotheism >> simplified the system and provided one-stop shopping...as soon as a few >> wars and inquisitions settled which one God was the really real one. >> >> Brent >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/380ab766-1e4f-4e30-b6e9-fdda29d50f14%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/380ab766-1e4f-4e30-b6e9-fdda29d50f14%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/aa34be3d-2656-e81e-dfbe-981e21f3f53d%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/aa34be3d-2656-e81e-dfbe-981e21f3f53d%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/09089F47-6021-4F76-B08E-4EF355D5C100%40ulb.ac.be.
