> On 14 May 2020, at 12:09, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is true! > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Laundry_Files > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Laundry_Files> > > "Magic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(paranormal)>" is described as > being a branch of applied computation (mathematics), therefore computers and > equations are just as useful, and perhaps more potent, than classic > spellbooks, pentagrams, and sigils for the purpose of influencing ancient > powers and opening gates to other dimensions.
I don’t believe in “real magic”. If time travel was possible and a time-traveller comes back with a documentary showing Jesus making water into wine, I would still consider that the most plausible explanation would be that Jesus is a good prestidigitator. Why? Just by considering the degree of credulity of the humans, and their craft in prestidigitation. Similarly, I find far more reasonable, even “Occam-reasonable” that the appearance of a physical universe is due to number’s prestidigitation, because incompleteness shows the numbers being both terribly naïve, but also incredibly gifted in the art of making their fellow number believing almost everything. Gödel’s theorem warned us; if we are consistent, it is even consistent that we are inconsistent (<>t -> <>[]f). Computationalism is Prestidigitalism. Lol. Wolfram is correct about “[]p”, but forget completely []p & p (and thus missed physics, theology, etc.) At least Penrose is aware of the abyssal difference between “[]p” and “[]p & p”, but literally confusse them in its use of Gödel’s incompleteness against Mechanism. So, with respect to metaphysics and to the Mind-Body problem in the frame of Descartes-Darwin Mechanism, we can say that Penrose is less wrong than Wolfram, and more interestingly-wrong. I am not claiming that Penrose or Wolfram are wrong. I am just comparing them with the canonical theology of the universal machine, that is, with the 8 modes of self-truth/belief/knowledge/observation/sensation of the universal machine having enough induction beliefs/axioms, in any hard or soft relative implementation. Those modes can be motivated through Mechanist thought experiments and/or through the Theaetetus of Plato. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 4:48:16 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > Hmm! Reminds me of the Laundry Novels by writer Charles Stross. > > > "I learned Physics = Math + Witchcraft." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > To: Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> > Sent: Wed, May 13, 2020 4:49 pm > Subject: Re: Wolfram Models as Set Substitution Systems > > > I learned Physics = Math + Witchcraft. > > @philipthrift > > On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 2:03:50 PM UTC-5, ronaldheld wrote: > I agree that I have no idea how to relate what I have read, to any Physics I > have learned. > Ronald > > On Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 4:13:05 AM UTC-4, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Wolfram Models as Set Substitution Systems > https://github.com/maxitg/ SetReplace <https://github.com/maxitg/SetReplace> > > cf. https://www.wolframphysics. org/ <https://www.wolframphysics.org/> > > Stephen Wolfram (Ph.D. in theoretical physics at the California Institute of > Technology in 1979—at the age of 20): > > “I’m disappointed by the naivete of the questions that you’re communicating.” > > https://www. scientificamerican.com/ article/physicists-criticize- > stephen-wolframs-theory-of- everything/ > <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/physicists-criticize-stephen-wolframs-theory-of-everything/> > > “I don’t know of any others in this field that have the wide range of > understanding of Dr. Wolfram,” Feynman wrote ( in 1981). > > > @philipthrift > - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/654245aa-f717-447f-bbf5-645281a83a99%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/654245aa-f717-447f-bbf5-645281a83a99%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/DDD840CB-F800-4DCC-969D-AE1126563148%40ulb.ac.be.
