> On 12 Jun 2020, at 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > On 6/12/2020 11:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> <everything-list@googlegroups.com <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 6/10/2020 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> > Thought perhaps there's an argument to be made from the church Turing >> > theses, which pertains to possible states of knowledge accessible to a >> > computer program/software. If consciousness is viewed as software then >> > Church-Turing thesis implies that software could never know/realize if >> > it's ultimate computing substrate changed. >> >> I don't understand the import of this. The very concept of software >> mean "independent of hardware" by definition. It is not affected by >> whether CT is true or not, whether the computation is finite or not. >> >> You're right. The only relevance of CT is it means any software can be run >> by any universal hardware. There's not some software that requires special >> hardware of a certain kind. >> >> If >> you think that consciousness evolved then it is an obvious inference >> that consciousness would not include consciousness of it's hardware >> implementation. >> >> If consciousness is software, it can't know its hardware. But some like >> Searle or Penrose think the hardware is important. > > I think the hardware is important when you're talking about a computer that > is emerged in some environment.
That is right, but if you assume mechanism, that hardware comes from a (non computable) statistics on all software run in arithmetic. > The hardware can define the the interaction with that environment. The environment is "made of” all computations getting at our relative computational states. > We idealize the brain as a computer independent of it's physical > instantiation...but that's just a theoretical simplification. Not when you assume mechanism, in which case it is the idea of "physical universe” which becomes the theoretical simplifications. Bruno > > Brent > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5125d2b1-71c1-1d42-f1eb-cc152971b237%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5125d2b1-71c1-1d42-f1eb-cc152971b237%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5BDA0715-ADDC-4467-AB71-F87F32C01177%40ulb.ac.be.
