This assume a car, which looks like a Corvette which I assume is fairly 
fast. So, for 80mi/hr that is 128km/hr or .036km/sec. The v/c  = 
1.2×10^{-7}. The Lorentz gamma factor γ = 1/√(1 - (v/c)^2) for a small v/c 
is approximately by binomial theorem

γ ≃ 1 + ½(v/c)^2 = 1 + 7.0×10^{-15}.

The time difference is given by the ½(v/c)^2 = 7.0×10^{-15}..  A year is 
3.15×10^7sec and Andromeda is 2.5×10^6 light years which means t = 
7.9×10^{13}sec is the time it takes light to reach us from there. I then 
get .55sec as the time difference for t’ = t/γ. 

LC

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 8:54:24 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote:

> How did you calculate it? The calculation should be (speed / c) * 
> 2,500,000 years.
>
> 3 mph gives a 4 day difference.
>
> Jason
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 6:38 PM Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
>> I calculated the time difference for the two observers moving, 128km/hr 
>> or about .036km/sec, that their relative time with Andromeda is less than a 
>> second. 
>>
>> We have a problem with defining nothingness. Is there nothingness? Well 
>> this implies nothingness can exist, and if it exists is is not nothing. If 
>> nothingness does not exist then of course by definition there is something 
>> that exists. Of course this is a bit of a semantics game. but in QFT the 
>> closest we have to nothingness is the vacuum state, where this can 
>> transition into a new vacuum to produce particles.
>>
>> LC
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 1:15:08 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote:
>>
>>> I recently came across a paper by C. W. Rietdijk (who is perhaps most 
>>> famous for using special relativity to prove the existence 
>>> <https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Rietdijk%E2%80%93Putnam_argument> of a 
>>> pre-determined, timeless, physical reality) in 1966.
>>>
>>> As it turns out, he was active and publishing into his 90s, and in 2018 
>>> published:
>>>
>>> "*Four-dimensional reality continued.* The implications of the block 
>>> universe for the origin of matter, consciousness and a possible afterlife. 
>>> The Einstein–Podolsky–Rosen paradox and its role in four dimensions"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have found much of it to be fascinating and also in line with Bruno's 
>>> theories. For example, some excerpts:
>>>  
>>>
>>> In the beginning, there was only truth, logic and their relation. No 
>>> possible reality can do without them.
>>>
>>> As we move from a 3D to a 4D theory of the Universe, several crucial 
>>> questions need to be asked and answered. One of the most important of those 
>>> questions concerns the creation of matter. In this section, we deal with 
>>> this question and ask ourselves: Was matter actually created and how 
>>> *real* is it?
>>>
>>> In 4D a Big Bang is both inconceivable and irrelevant; a 4D universe is 
>>> static—there are no changes in the time direction, therefore a transition 
>>> from a Universal Void to the existence of matter cannot be. In both 3D and 
>>> 4D, we must start from the irrefutable fact that “something” must have 
>>> always been there, and we believe this to be the laws of nature. Voltaire’s 
>>> argument about the existence of God (No watch without a watchmaker) begs 
>>> the question who created the watch*maker*, unless we assume that the 
>>> laws of nature and the universe created themselves. It is our firm belief 
>>> that the Pythagorean theorem needs not be created, nor the fact that the 
>>> circumference of a circle is 3.14… times the diameter; the laws of nature 
>>> and the collection of truths, values and their interrelations are 
>>> primordial and have always existed. The fundamental stuff of the Universe 
>>> in 4D consists of logic, mathematics and natural law, which of course exist 
>>> and always have existed. It seems impossible to eliminate truths, values, 
>>> etc., from the Universe. Note that in a deterministic conception, there is 
>>> only one universe. This is the universe that we see; a static 4D universe 
>>> which is not void.
>>>
>>> The laws of nature—which have always existed—imply that intelligence has 
>>> always existed and has always been present, with its correlates 
>>> “experience” and “Aha-erlebnis,” perceivable to man here and now. It would 
>>> seem that intelligence must have preceded everything, but in our search for 
>>> the origin of matter, we cannot content ourselves by simply stating that 
>>> (3D) matter is produced by intelligence. It *is* possible from the 
>>> concept of completed intelligence (viz., intelligence including experience 
>>> and the Aha-erlebnis), to create the deceptive *suggestion* of the 
>>> existence of matter, experienced in a collective dream, dreamed by living, 
>>> intelligent beings. This is what we consider to be consciousness. The 
>>> recognition of the differences between patterns is an Aha-erlebnis.
>>>
>>> The elementary particles as we know them form patterns, including very 
>>> implicit or hidden patterns. The marker points and their patterns are the 
>>> way Intelligence orders all that exists in the world, including feelings, 
>>> thoughts, colors, sounds, etc. We hypothesize that the microparticles in 
>>> the Universe form Universal patterns, or abstract, theoretical points that 
>>> answer to the laws of nature, formulas and logical principles; the common 
>>> coordinate points in the Universe. These points form a kind of skeleton of 
>>> the grand pattern of the collective “dream;” a blueprint or map of the 
>>> Universe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
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