On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 5:49:23 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > > > On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 4:38:20 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 10:03:36 PM UTC-5 [email protected] >> wrote: >> >>> If such a theory could be constructed, it would have particles to >>> manifest excited states, called gravitons. But for a BH, gravitons >>> generated by its mass couldn't escape, so they couldn't function as force >>> carrying particles as in other quantum field theories. We'd still need >>> Einstein's GR to account for the gravitational "force" via curvature of >>> space-time. So what would a quantum theory of gravity buy us? Why do we >>> need it? AG >>> >> >> The way you state this illustrates considerable confusion and in these >> threads I and others have indicated how to think of this. This does not >> involve gravitons coming out of black holes. You have repeated this error a >> number of times. >> > > You previously stated that gravitons cannot escape BH's. Do you stand by > this claim? AG >
Yep! LC > >> A weak low energy quantum gravitation is easy to derive. The low energy >> limit of gravitation is linear because terms in the curvature involving the >> square of connection terms are much smaller. This makes gravitation and >> gravitational waves linear. Quantization is not much different from >> quantizing electrodynamics in QED. The gravitational waves detected by the >> LIGO are long wavelength and with small amplitude. There should be >> signatures of gravitons there which would be linear. As the wavelength >> shortens the energy increases and as this approaches TeV and higher energy >> the nonlinear terms become appreciable. The nonlinear feature of >> gravitation, and that it is an exterior fibration so the field correlates >> direction with the quantum wave, means this is a nonlinear quantum >> mechanics, which is a contradiction of quantum mechanics. >> >> LC >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/93f84739-a16b-40c2-a6e6-597a62e9aa1an%40googlegroups.com.
