On 7/24/2020 4:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 9:13 AM Lawrence Crowell <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


    It is not the case that gravitons come out of a black hole to
    intermediate a force between it and some other mass. From the
    perspective of an exterior observer all mass-energy and quantum
    fields that make up a black hole are on the event horizon or just
    above. This is why I got into the whole Tortoise coordinates and
    so forth. I will have to leave it here I think.


Why does the perspective of an exterior observer have preferred status? This is an absurdly intstrumentalist/positivist idea. What matters is the objective reality, not what you might chance to see from some perspective or the other. The idea of all the mass-energy residing on the stretched horizon is just so much positivistic twaddle......

I agree.  The question would be "Residing there /*when?*/" The only interest in the distant observers viewpoint is to compare it to what we distant observers observe.

Brent


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