Trying to detect (or understand) consciousness from the architecture, is like trying to explain alpha of deep blue by looking how a gate is working. The architecture might be contingent, and has nothing to do with an explanation which (assuming mechanism) is of an higher order, like an algorithm, or like a full psychology or theology of the entities concerned.
Consciousness, like Truth, is not among the definable notion, although it is easy to metadefined it when we assume Mechanism. (In that case, consciousness is the belief in a reality, in case there is a reality (which we can never justify rationally). This does not prevent us to bet our fellows are conscious, or that there is some reality “beyond my personal experience”. Bruno > On 26 Nov 2020, at 22:57, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:15:53 PM UTC-6 Brent wrote: > > > On 11/26/2020 4:28 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> The architecture they specify in their paper >> >> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2011.09850.pdf >> <https://arxiv.org/pdf/2011.09850.pdf> >> >> could be of interest to the AI hacker (MIT AI Lab type) trying to implement >> and demonstrate a "conscious" robot" (even just an impressively "fake" one). >> >> We agree with Christof Koch that “There isn’t a Turing Test for >> consciousness. You have to look at the way the system is built. You have to >> look at the circuitry, not [only] its behavior”. We would emphasize >> “architecture” over “circuitry”. > > Then can they answer the question, "Is an octopus conscious?" Octopuses have > a very different neural architecture. Two thirds of their neurons are in > their legs. They have almost as many as a dog (5e8 vs 7e8). They play. > They recognize individual people. I'd say they are conscious...but then I'm > only looking at behavior. I curious as to what looking at architecture would > contribute? > > Brent > > Their "architecture" is in the sense of a programming architecture (as would > be needed in a "conscious" robot). > > > We see a kinship between the CTM and the self-aware robots developed by > (Chella, Pipitone, Morin, & Racy, 2020). > > (The cognitive architecture for inner and private speech) > > https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frobt.2020.00016/full > https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b0d2/a60bd8cdda4f6f043c75dba941ade86c9843.pdf > > @philipthrift > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/33d461a5-91a5-4ba1-bbaf-c019a83cd65cn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/33d461a5-91a5-4ba1-bbaf-c019a83cd65cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9E7A5B40-024B-444B-9B04-4AA40603C131%40ulb.ac.be.
