On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 11:00:46 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote:
> One needs to mention Frauchiger and Renner’s result here, which makes > rigorous the intuitive “Wigner’s friend” type argument and shows that a > single-world QM is inconsistent, given some very broad and > sensible-sounding parameters, like “quantum mechanics describes reality at > all scales” and “no superdeterminism”. It does away with Copenhagen as a > respectable solution to QM weirdness, and forces the question: if you don’t > like MWI, what other beloved notion are you prepared to sacrifice? Because > whatever it is, it ain’t gonna be pretty. I get the feeling AG would just > like reality to behave itself and be sensible. Frauchiger and Renner make > it clear it’s too late for that. > What I'd like is for MWI advocates to behave sensibly and stop ignoring the huge gorilla in the room; namely, that there's no accounting for the energy needed to create these other worlds, or even a hint this is a problem with the interpretation, and to what physical extent these worlds are supposed to exist. Does the lab in these other worlds have a rest room, etc.? In effect, I'm not an enthusiast for Trump physics. AG > > It’s interesting, incidentally, to read Max Born’s letters to Einstein > (Born was my great grandfather). It’s clear he still held a very > conservative view of what was going on and missed the point, all too > horrifyingly apparent to Einstein, that the implications of an unaltered QM > were extremely profound. For Einstein it smacked of an irrational universe > and he viscerally rejected that. Born, like Wile E. Coyote, seemed to be > sailing along unperturbed, oblivious to the fact that the ground was no > longer under his feet. > > On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 3:43 pm, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 11:04:26 AM UTC-7 [email protected] >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 9:41 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> *> One of the postulates of the MWI is that anything that CAN happen, >>>> MUST happen.* >>> >>> >>> Yes. >>> >>> * > Are you denying that postulate?* >>> >>> >>> No >>> >>> * > I am just applying it to a horse race. * >>>> >>> >>> And if Many Worlds is correct then there is an Alan Grayson for every >>> horse in that race, and there is an Alan Grayson who saw every one of >>> those horses win. And if Many Worlds is not correct then something even >>> stranger must be. The one thing we know for certain is that whatever >>> quantum interpretation turns out to be true it's going to be weird, very >>> very weird. >>> >> >> Maybe no weirder than collapse of the wf. AG >> >> >>> >>> *> Obviously, a horse race isn't a quantum process,* >>> >>> >>> You say it's obvious that you don't split because you'd feel it if you >>> did, and there were those that said obviously the Earth doesn't move >>> around the sun or move at all because we'd feel it if it did. >>> >>> John K Clark >>> >> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/xsl8cSDT4M8/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/477f8322-4192-4910-8c8a-ae3608815fdbn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/477f8322-4192-4910-8c8a-ae3608815fdbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e6a044d2-ed64-4e73-b7c9-1750e2891de3n%40googlegroups.com.
