On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 8:25 pm, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 11:00:46 PM UTC-7 Pierz wrote: > >> One needs to mention Frauchiger and Renner’s result here, which makes >> rigorous the intuitive “Wigner’s friend” type argument and shows that a >> single-world QM is inconsistent, given some very broad and >> sensible-sounding parameters, like “quantum mechanics describes reality at >> all scales” and “no superdeterminism”. It does away with Copenhagen as a >> respectable solution to QM weirdness, and forces the question: if you don’t >> like MWI, what other beloved notion are you prepared to sacrifice? Because >> whatever it is, it ain’t gonna be pretty. I get the feeling AG would just >> like reality to behave itself and be sensible. Frauchiger and Renner make >> it clear it’s too late for that. >> > > What I'd like is for MWI advocates to behave sensibly and stop ignoring > the huge gorilla in the room; namely, that there's no accounting for the > energy needed to create these other worlds, or even a hint this is a > problem with the interpretation, and to what physical extent these worlds > are supposed to exist. Does the lab in these other worlds have a rest room, > etc.? In effect, I'm not an enthusiast for Trump physics. AG > So many gorillas! > > >> >> It’s interesting, incidentally, to read Max Born’s letters to Einstein >> (Born was my great grandfather). It’s clear he still held a very >> conservative view of what was going on and missed the point, all too >> horrifyingly apparent to Einstein, that the implications of an unaltered QM >> were extremely profound. For Einstein it smacked of an irrational universe >> and he viscerally rejected that. Born, like Wile E. Coyote, seemed to be >> sailing along unperturbed, oblivious to the fact that the ground was no >> longer under his feet. >> >> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 3:43 pm, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 11:04:26 AM UTC-7 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 9:41 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> *> One of the postulates of the MWI is that anything that CAN happen, >>>>> MUST happen.* >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes. >>>> >>>> * > Are you denying that postulate?* >>>> >>>> >>>> No >>>> >>>> * > I am just applying it to a horse race. * >>>>> >>>> >>>> And if Many Worlds is correct then there is an Alan Grayson for every >>>> horse in that race, and there is an Alan Grayson who saw every one of >>>> those horses win. And if Many Worlds is not correct then something even >>>> stranger must be. The one thing we know for certain is that whatever >>>> quantum interpretation turns out to be true it's going to be weird, very >>>> very weird. >>>> >>> >>> Maybe no weirder than collapse of the wf. AG >>> >>> >>>> >>>> *> Obviously, a horse race isn't a quantum process,* >>>> >>>> >>>> You say it's obvious that you don't split because you'd feel it if you >>>> did, and there were those that said obviously the Earth doesn't move >>>> around the sun or move at all because we'd feel it if it did. >>>> >>>> John K Clark >>>> >>> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/xsl8cSDT4M8/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/477f8322-4192-4910-8c8a-ae3608815fdbn%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/477f8322-4192-4910-8c8a-ae3608815fdbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/xsl8cSDT4M8/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e6a044d2-ed64-4e73-b7c9-1750e2891de3n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e6a044d2-ed64-4e73-b7c9-1750e2891de3n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAArMS02Y5K%2BcDv0fyjWRvE8qOyvvVkvbUdr_6xViea-sVQh8ow%40mail.gmail.com.
