On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 6:36 pm, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 9:27:43 AM UTC-7 Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 15 Jan 2021, at 23:34, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Why not assume the wf applies only before the measurement? >> >> >> That’s Bohr idea. But it means that measurement are no more describe by >> QM, and this introduces a dualism in the the possible theory of mind that >> you need to use. The élégance if the MWI is that QM applies to both the >> observed and the observer, again, like it has to do assuming mechanism. >> >> >> >> Or why not withhold judgement on a phenomenon not yet understood? Instead >> you totally dismiss empirical evidence that no one ever observes a split. AG >> >> >> We still observe the result predicted when accepting the superposed wave >> going through all slit. The fact that we don’t feel the split is entirely >> explained by the wave evolution and the self-duplication thought >> experiment. Occam razor favours the simplest conceptual explanation, or we >> add add as many “epicycle” to favour any interpretation, up to the super >> determinism, which I take as an abandon of rationality… >> >> Bruno >> > > *Yeah, "entirely explained", except for the huge gorilla in the room. > Where's the beef, I mean the energy to create those other worlds? Is it in > the non-computable irrational numbers? AG* > Another one! It’s a gorilla enclosure! 🦍🦍🦍 > >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 1:18:53 PM UTC-7 [email protected] wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 2:22 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> *> Why do you assume that the initial observer splits after initial >>>> trial when it's not observed? AG * >>> >>> >>> For heaven sake haven't you been listening?! Because that is the least >>> bizarre interpretation anybody can think of to explain the utterly bizarre >>> results observed from the two slit experiment. There is just no getting >>> around it, if Many Worlds isn't true then something even stranger must >>> be. >>> >>> John K Clark >>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2a6bf029-a37a-4049-ab90-0ee889ba9820n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2a6bf029-a37a-4049-ab90-0ee889ba9820n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/xsl8cSDT4M8/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/18a5ee2c-2afb-49d4-9e4e-e8ecaa207de6n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/18a5ee2c-2afb-49d4-9e4e-e8ecaa207de6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAArMS03fGF0%2BfcxTOc2i_R6fhAF-XXcdiV6%3DSS8t%3D8kNWeGdrg%40mail.gmail.com.
