No, I'm trying to understand. It's just too underwhelming, don't know what expeirment is needed to suggest otherwise.
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021, 02:33 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List, < [email protected]> wrote: > I don't think you're disagreeing with me. I'm saying you have only > measured something when it is entangled with you and with the > environment. The "friend", as I understand the experiment, is entangled > with the system but not with the environment. > > Brent > > On 1/15/2021 5:00 PM, smitra wrote: > > Decoherence should be irrelevant. Whether or not you (considered as > > some given physical system) have measured something, should not only > > depend on the entanglement between the measured system and those that > > belong to you. > > > > Saibal > > > > On 16-01-2021 00:48, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > >> The Wigner's friend experiment proves a lot less than they headlines > >> hype. > >> > >> The "friends" are quantum 1-degree-of-freedom systems, so they don't > >> decohere, and it's questionable to say they've measured anything. > >> > >> Brent > >> > >> On 1/15/2021 3:27 PM, Alina Gutoreva wrote: > >> > >>> "Before an idea is told, it’s never been true [1]?”-kind of > >>> idea OR “levels [2]”-kind of idea? Or both [3]? I’m confused. > >>> > >>> Please, don’t be angry. > >>> > >>> Ally > >>> > >>> On 15 Jan 2021, at 22:34, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> Why not assume the wf applies only before the measurement? Or why > >>> not withhold judgement on a phenomenon not yet understood? Instead > >>> you totally dismiss empirical evidence that no one ever observes a > >>> split. AG > >>> > >>> On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 1:18:53 PM UTC-7 [email protected] > >>> [4] wrote: > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 2:22 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Why do you assume that the initial observer splits after initial > >>> trial when it's not observed? AG > >>> > >>> For heaven sake haven't you been listening?! Because that is the > >>> least bizarre interpretation anybody can think of to explain the > >>> utterly bizarre results observed from the two slit experiment. There > >>> is just no getting around it, if Many Worlds isn't true then > >>> something even stranger must be. > >>> > >>> John K Clark > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Everything List" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >> an email to [email protected]. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2a6bf029-a37a-4049-ab90-0ee889ba9820n%40googlegroups.com > >> > >> [5]. > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Everything List" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >> an email to [email protected]. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5BC6546E-8F24-4D9E-B432-23A92433AB94%40gmail.com > >> > >> [6]. > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Everything List" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >> an email to [email protected]. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0dc3eab3-583d-2c41-d7c7-9dfc8d4f9145%40verizon.net > >> > >> [7]. > >> > >> > >> Links: > >> ------ > >> [1] > >> > https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/03/12/136684/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/ > >> > >> [2] https://t.me/decision_insights/523 > >> [3] https://t.me/decision_insights/311 > >> [4] http://gmail.com > >> [5] > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2a6bf029-a37a-4049-ab90-0ee889ba9820n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > >> > >> [6] > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5BC6546E-8F24-4D9E-B432-23A92433AB94%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > >> > >> [7] > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/0dc3eab3-583d-2c41-d7c7-9dfc8d4f9145%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > >> > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/4244b424-8182-d20f-1735-1c6cf36bedf3%40verizon.net > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJ2dPMcLDQ_BC%3DsPBEmQu4PbH09KtDiD-Rpj-Ao5cdnYjst7Dw%40mail.gmail.com.
