On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:37 PM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:47 AM Terren Suydam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Finding a theory is not a problem, theories are a dime a dozen >>> consciousness theories doubly so. But how could you ever figure out if >>> your consciousness theory was correct? >>> >> >> The same way we figure out any theory is correct. >> > > In science we judge a theory by how well it can predict how something will > behave, but you are not interested in behavior you're interested in > consciousness, so I repeat how do you determine if consciousness theory > #6,948,603,924 > is correct? > > > >>If you're talking about observable characteristics then yes, but then >>> you're just talking about behavior not consciousness. >>> >> >> >> *>Sure, but we might be talking about the behavior of neurons, or their >> equivalent in an AI.* >> > > The behavior of neurons is not consciousness. > > > > *All of our disagreements come down to whether there are facts about >> consciousness. You don't think there are,* >> > > Not true, I know one thing from direct experience and that outranks even > the scientific method, I know that I am conscious. > I have a limit of how many times I will go around this circle. Let's just focus on whether we can make statements of fact about consciousness, which is what the other email thread does. > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>. > > . > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Y6%2BDWTUb-J2Nw2E9OUYJNGvDXm8ViORMbExr94io-wA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Y6%2BDWTUb-J2Nw2E9OUYJNGvDXm8ViORMbExr94io-wA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:37 PM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:47 AM Terren Suydam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Finding a theory is not a problem, theories are a dime a dozen >>> consciousness theories doubly so. But how could you ever figure out if >>> your consciousness theory was correct? >>> >> >> The same way we figure out any theory is correct. >> > > In science we judge a theory by how well it can predict how something will > behave, but you are not interested in behavior you're interested in > consciousness, so I repeat how do you determine if consciousness theory > #6,948,603,924 > is correct? > > > >>If you're talking about observable characteristics then yes, but then >>> you're just talking about behavior not consciousness. >>> >> >> >> *>Sure, but we might be talking about the behavior of neurons, or their >> equivalent in an AI.* >> > > The behavior of neurons is not consciousness. > > > > *All of our disagreements come down to whether there are facts about >> consciousness. You don't think there are,* >> > > Not true, I know one thing from direct experience and that outranks even > the scientific method, I know that I am conscious. > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>. > > . > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Y6%2BDWTUb-J2Nw2E9OUYJNGvDXm8ViORMbExr94io-wA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Y6%2BDWTUb-J2Nw2E9OUYJNGvDXm8ViORMbExr94io-wA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMy3ZA9ZM5ruAUcw5MzAGeuKz9D2en%3DATcsybh6x-Bf%2Bs6sXhA%40mail.gmail.com.
