Agreed. Having said his, we have yet to explore the limits of current telescopic engineering. My fav is hanging gigantic thin-filament arrays of radio telescopes out at the edge of the solar system past the Kuiper Belt -Oort Cloud location and let the astronomers have at it. This kind of project is not beyond our capability, but beyond our wallets, psychologically. In fact all transactions are psychological, as the value of things is psychological essentially. Another thought since descendants of carbon-water brainy life, would be Joe and Jane Silicon, uploading, copying, all things Singularitarian. Could Silicon life evolve naturally, and be thus, not specifically biological? Well here is Walt Disney's version of life as we know it, and life as he imagined it. My point? harder to detect. Halloween approaches, enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ-T5VEueW0
Or Fred Hoyle's The Black Cloud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Cloud Spoiler-The Cloud is alive and smart and didn't know it was possible for life to live on planets. All of this work of the 1950's that seems to be 'plausible' even today. Is it certain? No, is it even likely, um. I will live that to experts. For the pure astrophysics of it all, my brother in loves this kind of thing, for the 'discovery' of it all. For me, I am interested, but in it for ways to we use an identified process. Like maybe a way to shortcut it for nuclear fusion? Maybe, a way to affordably harness the CNO cycle. If you say not a chance, I'll go with you on this. -----Original Message----- From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Oct 14, 2021 1:21 am Subject: Re: An odd signal from the Galactic center On 10/13/2021 9:43 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:48 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > Scanned this yesterday, JC. I always hope for the SETI result, There is zero evidence this has anything to do with ET. > and it always disappoints. That's because every time a new astronomical discovery is made that cannot immediately be explained somebody ALWAYS says it must be ET. Personally, because I am unable to find a flaw in the Great Flter argument, I would be devastated if we detected ET; it would mean the civilization we received a radio message from would have almost certainly been destroyed by now, and the future of the human race is likely to be very bleak indeed. I like to think the reason we haven't detected any other civilization already is because we are the first, not because we just haven't encountered the mysterious civilization destroying phenomenon yet that every intelligent species always eventually finds itself facing. If you notice, our radiation to space has decreased as we have used higher frequencies and more directed communication (like fiber optics and directional antennae) and as we compress and encrypt the radiation will look more and more thermal. Brent The Great Filter > Even if it was ETI working on a black hole project for their own (its own?) > benefit, always there is the simpler explanation that covers the evidence. There is no known mechanism by which a Black Hole or a Neutron Star could produce radio waves and nothing else, much less highly circularly polarized radio waves. > neutron stars falling into the alleged AGN, active galactic nucleus to > perform just as you have described. That would produce massive amounts of X-Rays and Gamma Rays as well as visible light, but there was none, only an intense burst of circularly polarized radio waves emanating from a very compact object at irregular times. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis no2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1bWFakvThbM2tDP4gvGgEFhYsw%2BHmjevZBJJvSETfVmw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/f0a40215-defc-d782-f01d-ef6f76a49cb8%40verizon.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1627147782.1551880.1634237092039%40mail.yahoo.com.
