On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:03:55 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote:
> > > On 4/16/2022 2:58 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:44:09 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> On 4/16/2022 8:34 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> Of course I favour the first version of the argument, using the >>> many-world formulation of collapse, to avoid the "God plays dice" nightmare. >>> >>> >>> Why this fear of true randomness? We have all kinds of classical >>> randomness we just attributed to "historical accident". Would it really >>> make any difference it were due to inherent quantum randomness? Albrect >>> and Phillips have made an argument that there is quantum randomness even >>> nominally classical dynamics. https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.0953v3 >>> >> >> True randomness implies *unintelligibility*; that is, no existing >> physical process for *causing *the results of measurements. AG >> >> >> "It happened at random in accordance with a Poisson process with rate >> parameter 0.123" seems perfectly intelligible to me. There is a physical >> description of the system with allows you to predict that, including the >> value of the rate parameter. It only differs from deterministic physics in >> that it doesn't say when the event happens. >> >> I always wonder if people who have this dogmatic rejection of randomness >> understand that quantum randomness is very narrow. Planck's constant is >> very small and it introduces randomness, but with a definite distribution >> and on certain variables. It's not "anything can happen" as it seems some >> people fear. >> >> Brent >> > > Every single trial is unintelligible. AG > > > I find that remark unintelligble. I don't think "intelligble" means what > you think it means. > > Brent > It means there exists no definable physical process to account for the outcome of a single trial. AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9dcadb7a-49ca-4d0a-b547-b2e1ffdc9217n%40googlegroups.com.
