I think you're fooling yourself if you think a non-determinsitic process is comprehensible. AG

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:46:09 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 4/16/2022 4:24 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:03:55 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> >> On 4/16/2022 2:58 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:44:09 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 4/16/2022 8:34 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> Of course I favour the first version of the argument, using the >>>> many-world formulation of collapse, to avoid the "God plays dice" >>>> nightmare. >>>> >>>> >>>> Why this fear of true randomness? We have all kinds of classical >>>> randomness we just attributed to "historical accident". Would it really >>>> make any difference it were due to inherent quantum randomness? Albrect >>>> and Phillips have made an argument that there is quantum randomness even >>>> nominally classical dynamics. https://arxiv.org/abs/1212.0953v3 >>>> >>> >>> True randomness implies *unintelligibility*; that is, no existing >>> physical process for *causing *the results of measurements. AG >>> >>> >>> "It happened at random in accordance with a Poisson process with rate >>> parameter 0.123" seems perfectly intelligible to me. There is a physical >>> description of the system with allows you to predict that, including the >>> value of the rate parameter. It only differs from deterministic physics in >>> that it doesn't say when the event happens. >>> >>> I always wonder if people who have this dogmatic rejection of randomness >>> understand that quantum randomness is very narrow. Planck's constant is >>> very small and it introduces randomness, but with a definite distribution >>> and on certain variables. It's not "anything can happen" as it seems some >>> people fear. >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> Every single trial is unintelligible. AG >> >> >> I find that remark unintelligble. I don't think "intelligble" means what >> you think it means. >> >> Brent >> > > It means there exists no definable physical process to account for the > outcome of a single trial. AG > > > That's what is usually called "non-deterministic". "Unintelligble" means > not understandable or incomprehensible. > > Brent > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/f873f226-b8f7-40db-9036-ceb8b31427een%40googlegroups.com.