On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:17:45 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:06:04 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On 4/18/2022 5:35 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:
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>> But my main point is that acausality is tantamount to unintelligible. 
>>> IMO, there's a huge difference between being unable to perfectly predict 
>>> the time evolution of a system, and it being uncaused. AG
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there?  Even if the unpredicitability is in-principle?  What is the 
>>> huge difference?
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
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>>  So what, in your view, bugged AE about probability in QM? AG
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>> I asked you first.
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>> Brent
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> IIRC, you asked what was bugging ME, not AE. My guess is that he thought 
> acausality violated locality and/or realism. For example, the Pilot Wave 
> theory assumes each particle has a definite position and momentum. It 
> doesn't violate the HUP because the HUP simply limits what we can measure. 
> AG
>

Or maybe AE objected to the Copenhagen view that properties don't exist 
prior to measurement. This would certainly be acausal since all processes 
take finite time intervals to occur, which Copenhagen implicitly denies. AG 

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