Was adolf an atheist? He claimd to be. Did he lie, yeah, I suspect so. Is this accurate to bundle ALL the religions together as one? No! Some religions or faiths are better at some thing than others are, mine as well. I am an American, as such look upon religions and atheism as being part of the Great Salad Bar we may all partake from! :-) You want to skip dinner? No problemo. I give credit where its due and blame where its due. Hitler was definitely convincing the crowd of him being a traditional Christian lad. Stalin re-opened the Churches so as to retain loyalty and sacrifice as of old, to the Czar. Hitler, Stalin, the same!!! Let me remind that that both agreed in August 1939 to do the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to start WW2 in Poland and permit Adolf to do the Holocaust. They both invaded Poland. They both loved show trials. German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact | History, Facts, & Significance | Britannica How Adolf Hitler Began to Admire Josef Stalin | The National Interest So where does this leave us? Being loyal to an ideology is tricky because it can lead the rank and file into participating in national misbehavior as you have a few times accused me of (no biggie), but you do have a point in how loyal need we be to the leaders??? How loyal should we be????? I go with the science on vaxing (did b-valent 5 in dec!), I went with the science and logic on covid-antagonists (beyond the vax), and I am pro-abortion IF we can build a replacement industry that provide artificial wombs that WORK, great, and the baby doesn't have to die. I go with the science or think that I do.
-----Original Message----- From: John Clark <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2023 2:25 pm Subject: Re: You were told wrong info if you were told I didn’t feel things On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 1:55 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > when Adolf the Atheist got religion in his speech, he was zero diff than Joe > Stalin the Atheist You don't know that, nobody knows what was going on in Hitler's head when he gave those speeches and nobody will ever know, all we do know is what he said. > It was a method in both cases to secure loyalty for the sacrifice for the > cause. Yes and that's the important point. It doesn't matter what Hitler's personal opinion about religion were, the important point is that religion allows one man who claims to have God's telephone number (or these days God's email address I guess) to control millions of people because they're afraid of a God that claims to love them will torture them for an infinite number of years if they don't obey every command regardless of how idiotic they are. > Hirohito, yeah Shintoism. But they mostly saw the Japanese "race" as superior > to all. And white Christians, at least the right wing sort, tend to believe they are superior to all. > My point, if we both wish for a more peaceful human race, we need to give the > people a physical reason to chill out. The way to get people to chill out is NOT to threaten them with horrible torture for an infinite number of years if they ever step one nanometer out of line; and the holy rollers don't even make it clear if they're talking about an Aleph-nought or an Aleph-one infinity of years. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis ygt uty So you don't care if religion is true or not, you only want to know if it makes people happy or not. OK, I would say the answer is a big NO, at least with regard to Christianity. How can a religion make people happy that preaches that, unless you EXACTLY follow a long long list of ridiculous rules that are virtually impossible to obey, an all powerful omnipotent being that closely scrutinizes you every second of every day will torture you far more intensely than you could possibly imagine, not for a billion years, but for an INFINITE number of years. > Stalin and Mao and Adolf weren't Goddists and their death carnage seemed to > quickly say to Religion regarding deaths, "Hold my Beer!" You left out Japanese emperor Hirohito who not only believed in God, he claimed to be the son of God, and 30 million people died in the Pacific theater of war during World War II. And Stalin and Mao were atheists but the vast majority of their soldiers were not, and as for Adolph... On April 12 1922 Hitler said in a speech: "Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [...] My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." On October 27, 1928 Adolf Hitler in another speech said: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian." In yet another speech that Hitler gave in Berlin on October 24, 1933 he said: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." yuv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1yew0n-p6kODa4_AsUPCC2VaHSBsC51SrKeQnF%3DL%2BxYA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1913584577.940961.1677527011643%40mail.yahoo.com.
