Stathis Papaioannou

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 11:10, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:46 AM Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 10:01, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:51 PM Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > *T**here is yet another level, phenomenal consciousness, which has no
>>>> behavioural manifestations whatsoever, allowing for the theoretical
>>>> possibility of philosophical zombies.*
>>>
>>>
>>> Assuming that is true and assuming that you yourself are not a
>>> philosophical zombie, how do you suppose random mutation and natural
>>> selection manage to produce you?
>>>
>>
>> It couldn't, which supports the idea that philosophical zombies are
>> impossible, or equivalently that phenomenal consciousness reduces to the
>> behavioural manifestations of consciousness, such as awareness of self and
>> environment.
>>
>
> In fasct, it supports the idea that philosophical zombies could not be
> produced by natural (Darwinian) selection. But it say nothing about the
> possibility that such beings could be produced artificially; eg. via AI.
>

That is strictly true, but it would entail that consciousness is some sort
of side-effect peculiar to organic chemistry (or whatever the special
ingredient is), and not a consequence of intelligent behaviour.

>

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