On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, 4:18 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 7/13/2024 4:07 AM, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 7:17 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > An AI needs to play dumb in order to fool a human into thinking it is >>> human. Don't you find that fact to be compelling? >> >> >> *No, it only passed because the human interlocutor didn't ask the right >> questions; like, "Where are you?" and "Is it raining outside?". * >> > > If the AI was trying to deceive the human into believing it was not a > computer then it would simply say something like "*I am in Vancouver > Canada and it's not raining outside it's snowing*". > > Which could easily be checked in real time. Anyone question won't resolve > whether it's a person or not but a sequence can provide good evidence. > Next question, "Is there a phone in your room." Answer, "Yes" Call the > number and see if anyone answers. etc. The point is a human IS in a > specific place and can act there. An LLM AI isn't anyplace in particular. > The reason for conducting the test by text (rather than in person with an android body) was to prevent external clues from spoiling the result. To be completely fair, perhaps the test needs to be amended to judge between an AI and an uploaded human brain. Jason > And I don't see how a question like that could help you figure out the > nature of an AI's mind, or any mine for that matter, even if the AI was > ordered to tell the truth. The position of a mind in 3D space is a nebulous > concept; if your brain is in one place and your sense organs are in another > place, and you're thinking > > At other times you say consciousness is just how data feels when being > processed. It's processed in your brain...which has a definite location. > > about yet another place, then where exactly is the position of your mind? > > I just asked "Where are you?" Not "Where is your mind?" > > I think it's a nonsense question because "you" should not be thought of > as a pronoun but as an adjective. You are the way atoms behave when they > are organized in a Brentmeekerian way. > > And those atoms have a location in order to interact. > > Brent > > So asking a question like that is like asking where is "big" located or > the color yellow. > > See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > y11 > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3Lg2s8mRn_n%2B_oKR0ozfLhvJhpgrPA3__PKDjPyW8Cfw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3Lg2s8mRn_n%2B_oKR0ozfLhvJhpgrPA3__PKDjPyW8Cfw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2ca26f33-1346-4abf-a55e-7f5f24704173%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2ca26f33-1346-4abf-a55e-7f5f24704173%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUgZ7BLUPcgKiG3igTi8%2BSdh_9STNjJ%3DzGgQUwXVvssHnQ%40mail.gmail.com.
