On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 7:01 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Who judges if the "phenomenal judgments" of the machine are correct or >> incorrect? Even humans can't agree among themselves about most >> philosophical matters, certainly that's true of members of this list. >> > > *> They don't have to be correct, as far as I know. The machine just has > to make phenomenal judgements (without prior training on such topics).* > The AI's responses don't have to be correct?! Generating philosophical blather about consciousness is the easiest thing in the world because there is nothing to work on, there are no facts that the blather must fit. For it to rise a little above the level of blather you've got to start with an unproven axiom such as "*consciousness is the way data feels when it is being processed and thus I am not the only conscious being in the universe*". > *> Failing the test doesn't imply a lack of consciousness. But passing the > test implies the presence of consciousness.* > So the Argonov Test has the same flaw that the Turing Test has, and is far easier to pass. For a computer to pass the Turing Test it must be able to converse intelligently, but not too intelligently, ON ANY SUBJECT, but to pass the Argonov Test it only needs to be able to prattle on about consciousness. *> there must be a source of information to permit the making of phenomenal > judgements, and since the machine was not trained on them, what else, would > you propose that source could be, other than consciousness?* > >From your questions to the AI. When I meet someone we don't spontaneously start talking about consciousness, it only happens when one of us steers the conversation into that direction, and that seldom happens (except on this list) because usually both of us would rather talk about other things. See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> ubu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3QeUwqAay0GfDmXXwySOhQj-%2BBSbfiZcqvMdhGrNq%2BGQ%40mail.gmail.com.
