Who cares about the Turing test ? What does it have to do with being alive 
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On Friday 12 July 2024 at 03:09:57 UTC+3 Brent Meeker wrote:

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> On 7/11/2024 1:56 PM, John Clark wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:37 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
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> *> A rock, along with many other things, can't pass a first grade 
>> arithmetic tes either; but that doesn't show that anything that can't pass 
>> a first grade arithmetic test is unintelligent or unconscious, as for 
>> example an octopus or a 3yr old child.*
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> And because of their failure to pass a first year arithmetic test we would 
> say that a rock, an octopus and a three year old child are not behaving 
> very intelligently. 
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> *In case you've forgotten, the Turing test was based on text only 
> communication between an interlocutor asked to distinguish between a 
> computer pretending to be a human and a man or woman pretending to be a 
> woman or man.  It's already been passed by some LLM's by dumbing-down their 
> response.  It may be all you've got but it's a very poor test that can't 
> tell the difference between a 3yr old and a rock. Brent*
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> But as I said before, the Turing Test is not perfect, however it's all 
> we've got. If something passes the test then it's intelligent and 
> conscious. If fails the test then it may or may not be intelligent and or 
> conscious     
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> See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
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