I think Ed understands SIS quite well. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:39 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas > > On your comment about > > Oh, and by the way, how much is that actually taking up on your server? > 1GB? > Not with single instance storage! > ------------------------------------------- > I think you might not quite understand the problem with SIS, it is only > good > for when the email is being sent in transit because as soon as it arrives > and the person replies to it with Outlook, bingo no more SIS for that > message. My last place of work and current we get roughly 1.3 ratio. > > Cheers > > Paul > > Standards are like toothbrushes, > everybody agrees you should have one, > but no one wants to use yours > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Woodrick, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:22 PM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas > > > > Yes I've worked in small companies. And I've sold to small companies. I > dare > say that I understand the dynamics fairly well. Disk space, tape space, > and > backup time are all simple issues, present them to the purse strings and > let > them make the decision. > > 1GB of saved email? You aren't even in the big leagues here. I'd say that > well over 50% of the users on this list have one ore more mailboxes with > 1GB > storage. Oh, and by the way, how much is that actually taking up on your > server? 1GB? Not with single instance storage! And as I said, the 90%-10% > rule goes to work. > > No, my regards of a TB as small doesn't mean that I don't know the small > business environment, it only means that I work with a large range of > customers. But I also know that 1TB isn't that expensive anymore. That's > only seven 160GB drives. I've known many small companies with seven drive > servers. When 4GB drives were common, it wasn't that odd to have that many > drives. > > Yes, I know that you often have to beg and plead with a customer to get a > tape backup. So? That's what I'm saying. The customer (aka "business > drivers") get to make the decisions. Don't assume that they always want > everything. Don't assume that they want nothing. I've seen too many > situations where IT people say that management doesn't want to do > something > and then someone puts together a quick business case and it goes through > unhampered. > > > > But the most important thing here is to make believable and knowledgeable > recommendations to the business drivers. Make sure that your > recommendations > are prudent. Understand what levels of spending the business drivers are > making. Know what to recommend and when to recommend it. It's a big deal > making sure that you are forecasting your needs correctly and getting them > into the budget cycle. Make longer term, comprehensive plans. Do you have > your email storage charted out for the next 5 years? Do you have growth > projections and timelines that new servers or disks will have to come > online? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Posted At: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:11 AM > Posted To: Microsoft Exchange > Conversation: Unlimited Quotas > Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, at 10:47pm, Woodrick, Ed wrote: > > And as to disk drives, I can speak pretty knowledgeably in this > > situation, there is virtually no storage limitations within Exchange > > that impacts the per user storage. > > Yah, and what about when you run out of physical disk space, or tape > space, or backup time? "Buy more/better equipment", you say, but have you > ever worked in small company environment, where investing money in IT can > sometimes require something close to an act of Congress? > > > And as to users keeping things forever, that's pretty much hogwash. > > You don't have our customers, then. We've got several people in several > different organizations that have over one *gigabyte* of saved mail data. > And we are by no means a large company. > > > That means that even something as small as a TB requires well over > > 1,000 users. > > The fact that your regard one terabyte as "small" indicates that you > don't > really understand the small business situation, where we often have to beg > and plead with the customer to buy a 20 GB tape backup drive. > > Quote policy is something that should be done on a case-by-case basis. > > Blanket statements about what is applicable are bogus. However, not > having > any policy at all is almost sure to cause headaches down the road. > > -- > Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do > | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, > | entity or | organization. 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