I think people can romanticize enlightenment, especially CC, as the fulfillment or completion of the ego because that is the only way it can be understood from waking state. CC is a foundational shift from individuality, the result of bondage or identification, to no identification. CC is the apperception of lack of boundaries,not unboundedness. That's why it is such an uncomfortable state.
Waking state=shit happens, somebody there to suffer. CC=shit happens, nobody there to suffer. Shit always happens. Nature of the relative! -Peter (Raja Shit) p.s. Careful inquiry into the above conversation may lead to sudden enlightenment. But be very careful because "your" mind will hate it! It just wants to be right. --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Peter Sutphen wrote: > > The "reason" why there is no > > suffering in enlightenment is that there is no > > individuality there to suffer. Pain occurs, but > there > > is nobody home to suffer. > > Thanks, Peter. Yours is a point I had in mind when > writing my post, below, but did not state > explicitly. > Tom Traynor has described his detachment from > what most people would say is suffering in just the > terms you describe. > > Perhaps your point about nobody being home in > enlightenment is what makes Bob distinguish between > Fairfield Life enlightenment and Maharishi's > description of it. Bob? > > > --- Patrick Gillam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Comments interleaved below. > > > > > > Bob Brigante wrote: > > > > > > > > the experience of disease or any other > traumatic > > > event > > > > is completely different for the enlightened > person > > > (an actually > > > > enlightened person, one hastens to add, not a > > > Fairfield Life list > > > > enlightened person) than for the ignorant > person. > > > ... > > > > the effect [of trauma to the body] would be > > > meaningless > > > > on an enlightened person. > > > > > > Bob, you distinguish between a Fairfield Life > > > enlightened person and an "actually" > > > enlightened person, but at least one Fairfield > Life > > > enlightened person is describing his > > > experiences in just the terms you describe above > -- > > > that trauma doesn't affect him. > > > See Tom Traynor's descriptions of dealing with > > > physical pain. > > > > > > > A world full of > > > > enlightened people would certainly not see the > > > horrible toll of > > > > epidemics like smallpox, which took ~300 > million > > > lives just in the > > > > 20th century -- the tendency would be toward > > > perfect health, > > > > reflecting the harmonious way of life of the > > > enlightened: > > > > > > I don't see how a tendency toward perfect health > > > necessarily follows from enlightened > > > people being unaffected by trauma or disease. On > one > > > hand, you're saying (and I > > > agree) that bodily hurts can't touch enlightened > > > people because they are not their > > > bodies. Then you say the bodily hurts won't > happen > > > in the first place. Am I > > > misreading you to assume a cause-and-effect > > > relationship in your writing? > > > > > > - Patrick Gillam > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
