on 5/11/05 4:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I take it that this is your experience. For instance, is this why
> you participate in the Weds nights at Tom T's?

Fair to say.
> 
> What does it mean to chip away? Isn't a gestalt shift an all at once
> thing.

Yes. After chipping away for a long time.
> 
> My experience is that "experience" contains its own knowledge. I use
> the word experience in quotes because I don't want it to refer
> exclusively to observables. What I mean here by knowledge is an
> innate and instant understanding of what is experienced.
> 
> An example would be suddenly realizing that "I" as a discriminating
> intellect, a waking entity capable of thought, a place in space and
> time strongly identified with, have just come into being as a
> created thing - "I" didn't exist a moment ago. This was no
> theoretical idea, but the most concretely experienced of realities.
> So who knew this, and who recognized the transition into "my"
> existence? I didn't have to study with advaitans to recognize all of
> this in an instant. Or to realize that my localized existence, as
> in, identification with the discriminator, is a complete fiction,
> but one in which I am totally stuck most of the time.

But did you realize this the first time you pondered it? Or after years of
spiritual practice?





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