--- shanti2218411 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --Actually it is my understanding that as her brain > ca advanced she > began to experience a "regression" back into > ignorance ie ordinary > waking state conciousness which included her again > experiencing a > sense of personal self.The latter development is > certainly suggestive > that enlightment is dependent on a certain type of > brain function > which is inturn vunerable to being loss due to > disease or injury. > Kevin
I heard that too and again it also throws a curve ball into the mix. It's too bad she passed away because we'll never know what more time would have brought. One thing for sure is that, experientially, "nothingness" is not dependent upon anything at all. -Peter > > > > > > n [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > > > I'd also like to ammend my earlier comment about > > > experience always > > > coming packaged with the knowledge necessary to > > > understand the > > > experience. Here's a counterexample that I > thought > > > of: that TM > > > teacher who wrote a book about her > "enlightenment" > > > and then died of > > > a brain tumor. She had no understanding for a > decade > > > or more. So the > > > knowledge isn't always there. Hmm... > > > > She was having a CC experience which is the first > > awakening out of bondage. CC is the cessation of > > consciousness identifying with any relative > > experience. The mind is still filled with mental > > habits and these are "burned-out" as that > nothingness > > ripens. There is no "unboundedness in CC. Just > > nothingness. It is very, very hard on the mind > because > > it keeps looking for something called "self" and > finds > > pure emptiness instead. This mental habit must be > > broken. She did not gain the intellectual > > understanding of this through MMY or the TMO > (which is > > too bad because in my experience it is right > there!) > > and was therefore confused for quite some time > until > > that nothingness ate the gap and she was in UC. > Then > > she died ;-) hehehe. A kali yuga curve ball. > > -Peter (eater of the gap) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], > anonymousff > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > In my experience, it is fun to contemplate > such > > > issues. And > > > thank > > > > > you to each and every one of you who > contributed > > > to this thread. > > > > > > > > > > But, having noticed that even deep > immersement > > > in these ideas > > > over a > > > > > period of years has not resulted in a > gestalt > > > awakening to what > > > is > > > > > really happening here, I go about my > business as > > > usual. Such > > > > > metaphysical questions appear to get burnt > up in > > > the searing > > > heat of > > > > > life lived in the present. > > > > > > > > > > I have heard that some do awaken to the true > > > nature of things as > > > a > > > > > result of this kind of self-inquiry, and so, > do > > > not condemn it > > > > > outright. But I wonder sometimes at its > utility. > > > In under an > > > hour, I > > > > > am sure that someone familiar with the > various > > > conceptual > > > nuances > > > > > and schools of thought on the topics of I, > ego, > > > doer, > > > individuality, > > > > > self etc., could lay them all out so that > anyone > > > of reasonably > > > > > developed intellect could grasp the ideas > and > > > check on how well > > > they > > > > > relate to their own experience. After that, > what > > > is the point, > > > > > unless it is to check in once every few > years to > > > see if one's > > > > > perspective has changed due to the clearing > of > > > fog or the > > > shifting > > > > > of mirrors? > > > > > > > > (Sorry Akasha for this linear thinking, > > > non-gestalt > > > > > conclusion - I don't fully mean it...am just > > > stating how I feel > > > at > > > > > the moment.) > > > > > > > > > > > > For the most part, the intellect thinks in a > > > sequential, linear > > > > fashion. I am not advocating anyone to try to > > > abondon that at all - > > > - I > > > > don't think thats possible. What does occur at > > > times though, is > > > that > > > > after examining various parts of a puzzle, in > a > > > systematic, linear > > > > fashion, the various parts can "flash" -- fuse > in > > > new ways, > > > providing > > > > new insight. > > > > > > > > Sometimes the linear analysis and (sometimes) > > > subsequent "flash" > > > are > > > > based on symbolic processing -- that is, its a > > > logical refinement > > > and > > > > manipulation of concepts / abstractions -- > sort of > > > like solving an > > > > algebraic equations where the variables are > > > concepts. Concepts > > > and > > > > abstractions are the "content" of the > processing. > > > > > > > > On the other hand, a different type of linear > > > processing can occur, > > > > also resulting in a, often later, gestalt-typr > > > flash. However, now > > > the > > > > elements being processed, the content, the > data > > > being crunched, is > > > > experiential. Or, sometimes a mixture of > > > conceptual elelments and > > > > experiential elements. The post linear > analysis > > > phase, > > > the "flash" -- > > > > fuses concepts and/or experience in new > > > relationships and can > > > result > > > > in a new experiential foundation. > > > > > > > > The best analogy I can think of to explain the > > > fusion of conceptual > === message truncated === Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
