--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >We are discussing here (I thought) how a thinking > > process could be going on without the indweller doing that thinking. > > Your assumptions appears to be that there is an indweller. There isn't. > > If there is an indwelling "controller", "driver", or "doer", then have > it, or ask it to, instantaneously: > > - stop all thoughts
The indweller does not think. > - stop all analysis The indweller does not analyse > - stop all questions The indweller does not question. > > If it can't stop these things, its not in control. Its not driving the > train. (There is no Casey Jones). > > Its like a mad uncle who is locked in a glass cage, with one way > mirrors, in a symphony hall. The uncle hears symphonic music and is > conducting the symphony with his baton. Very skillyfully, very > emphatically. Only, the madness of it all, the joke, is that the > symphony can't see the uncle, does not even know he is there. The > symphony is playing by itself, on its own. The mad uncle just has > deluded himself into thinking he is the conductor. > > The mad uncle then gets tired and stops for a while. He is shocked as > hell that the symphony keeps playing without him. He sits there > stunned, for hours as the symphony plays on flawlessly. > > After a while, the mad uncle simple slips into an adjacent warm hot > tub, relaxes totally, and goes "ahhhhhhhhh", merging with the warm > water. The mad uncle gains insight that he is not controlling the > symphony. He realizes that there is nothing to do. He grokes that he > himself is just a figment of his own imagination. > > The hot tub just enjoys its own total warmth, comfort and release. > > The symphony plays on. Thats all very nice, and I appreciate you taking the time to try and disabuse me of an inner illusion but why does the idea of an indweller have to imply identity and control? Haven't you ever experienced awareness without the presence of thoughts? Isn't that the basis of transcendental consciousness? In the above analogy that you wrote, it sounds like you are imbuing the hot tub with identity and ability to experience something else, that is, the warmth of the tub. Warmth is relative, how can there be an experience if there is not an experiencer and something to experience? These analogies are almost impossible. They are like a photon that exists only as a potential wave or particle. Which one is it, wave or particle? It is neither until it is measured(experienced) and then it is forced to exist in some "way". Quantum physics pretty much renders Newtonian physics an illusion but on the relative scale of physical life it is not an illusion. Okay now I'm going to go out on a limb here but what the hell. When the wave form of silence collapses into dynamism the indweller exists, when the wave form of dynamism collapses into silence the indweller is non-existent. But the indweller never does anything more than the unmanifest does, desiring to be manifest. Or vice versa. Rick Carlstrom Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
