What I remember, as a mere meditator here, is MMY saying how at finer levels of the mantra all the senses fuse. Also my experience nowadays is that I close the eyes then a vague sense of a "mantra" comes along and I take THAT as my mantra (not the original clear pronounciation). So if even an individual mantra fuses with other SENSES, does the experience of vagueness of the mantra indicate a fusion with other MANTRAS taking place as well? In which case does it matter what mantra one uses really, for the purpose of transcending.. And if there are other purposes, because of reverberations in the finest relative, why should Vedic words be any better than say, Christian ones, given that saints in that tradition too have had celestial and siddhi experiences of equivalent validity..
--- In [email protected], "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Robert Gimbel" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -If one holds a specific meaning of a mantra, it seems to me, that > > one > > > is not only holding a limiting value of meaning, but is getting > > caught > > > on a superficial level, instead of transcending to the deeper > > levels > > > of consciousness. > > > > Right. Lets suppose your mantra was 'Raam' und you think Raam is a > > specific Avatar of Vishnu, it is wrong, because Raam does not > signify > > a specific God. I have seen teachers saying this. I'll post you a > > webpage later. Guru Dev says, that you should see your Ishta > > (supposedly you have an Istha and believe in it, as GD was talking > to > > an Indian audience) in everything, and in every other God, and in > the > > whole creation, then the mantra looses actually its specific > > conotations. He is the virtually asking for the mantra to loose any > > specific limiting meaning. It is virtually all and nothing, not any > > idea whe have of whatsoever God. Simply speaking Raam doesn't denote > > the Avatar anymore. > > > > This is SERIOUSLY clear thinking! Thank you. > > > In the Ramacharitmanas, which according to Rick was Guru Devs > > favorate > > scripture, Raam itself is the body of God. At one moment the > scripture > > even says that the mantra is more important than God himself, and it > > equally holds the view that it is the 'all wish fulfilling tree', so > > to say the cure-all as what TM was always marketed, and that it is > > equally potent without knowing any meaning. IOW the vibration of the > > mantra in itself is seen as the means and not something it denotes. > Of > > course this is from a Hindu POV. But see its implications. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
