Hi Angela! I also know personally some Muslims or former Muslims, who have come as refugees to Finland, and they are truly fine people. E.g. I have learned to know a conductor from Afghanistan, to whom I'm hiring an apartment. I don't perceive any serious defects in his reasoning. During the years I have also hired apartments to many kinds of Muslims. And I have seen severe domestic violence.The Muslim men are allowed to beat their wifes. The women are practically always very submissive, fearful.They don't speak to me, even if I'm a woman.
Even the man interviewed in TV, I described earlier seemed to be a decent human being. However there were glaring defects in his reasoning concerning those matters.In other areas of life he probably would do better. Strong religious beliefs makes it almost impossible to think clearly, because then you would need to start questioning the ultimate truths of the doctrine.The same problem is in other religions. Although questioning is in them usually easier. The sanctions of doing it are not so horrifying. Irmeli --- In [email protected], Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, Irmeli, I have discussed female mutilation with > these gentlemen. They are no longer young. Let's > see, they were in their early twenties in 1982, so > they are now pushing fifty. They are all intelligent, > kind, and spiritually inclined men who appear to > respect women. At least, they respect me very much. > I was their teacher, and they still think of me that > way, which is a little weird from my point of view. > > So it must be the case that not all Muslims are stupid > and bigoted. a > > > > --- Irmeli Mattsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Those Muslim's I described I have not met > > personally. I was referring > > to interviews I have seen on TV or read from a > > newspaper or magazine. > > And every single time I have perceived errors in > > their conceptual > > thinking. > > > > Most recent was an interview of a Muslim spiritual > > leader in Finland. > > He was considered to be very moderate in his > > thinking. > > He explained a lot about what Muslim women are > > allowed to do, and what > > not, and why their community controls so much their > > behaviour. He > > explained how this actually benefits and protects > > the women. He also > > said that men and women are equal. > > Then the interviewer asked about the female genital > > mutilation. The > > man told he does not accept it. Then the interviewer > > said that it is > > done here in Finland also. The man admitted it. The > > interviewer asked > > then what he has done to stop this practise. He > > answered: I'm not the > > guard of my brother. > > > > What kind of logic is this? He doesn't guard his > > brothers, but he says > > he guards his sisters to protect them. But actually > > allows the most > > terrible cruelty being done to girls, because he > > does not guard what > > the Muslim community does to their girls, even if he > > does not accept > > this doing. > > > > This is truly convoluted reasoning. In every > > interview so far I have > > perceived some similar sort fundamental errors in > > their conceptual > > reasoning. > > > > Did you ever discuss these kinds of matters with > > those young men? > > > > Irmeli > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
