--- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I agree, forms of meditation that work at transcending thought by 
> their very nature bind one to thought.
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> ----Honestly, I never understood the transcending thought thing. 
Since the beginning for me there has been consciousness, thought and 
mantra all at the same time. The mantra has never changed or gotten 
finer, the thoughts have never gotten more subtle, and the 
consciousness has never gotten different. But each thing has grown 
more aware in terms of itself. If that makes sense.

yeah I've had the same experience. More overall awareness, but as you 
say, evrything else has stayed the same




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