--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <lengli...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well, not everyone accepts the "universal being" schtick that is basically a Hindu > > > interpretation of the TC state. As I have pointed out before, a strong atheist > > > might well attain "God Consciousness" or "Unity Consciousness' ala MMY's > > > definitions and still remain a strong atheist. > > > > > > > > > Just because YOU can't conceive of that happening doesn't mean its impossible, > > > or even unlikely. If these states really ARE natural states of consciousness, > > > then the number of interpretations of the states will be unlimited. > > > > > > > > > L > > > > Lawson, your point of view is interesting. But why do you believe that these states may really be natural states of consciousness? > > Shurg, why not? Recent research on sucesful athletic champions and managers > shows they fall closer to the "enlightened" part of the Brain Coherence Index > than non-champions/unsucessful managers. If that research is replicated by > idependents it might lend credibility to MMY's theory that enlightenment is > natural whlie non-enlightenment indicates sub-optimal functioning.
Even if you accept this, isn't it a huge step from here to God consciousness or Unity consciousness? And even if long term meditators and champion athletes had similar brain patterns we don't know why and it doesn't say anything about whether the meditators are also now better, faster, smarter and closer to enlightenment. But I understand your interest. This was my interest years ago, I just didn't see things panning out. The meditators simply are not exhibiting characteristics of highly effective people in any noticable way. > > > > Do you believe that TM can be taught without the puja? What is the purpose of the puja? > > > > God consciousness by MMY: > > > > "In Maharishi's (1972) description of higher states of consciousness, the sixth state of consciousness, God consciousness, is defined by the unbounded, self-referral awareness of cosmic consciousness coexisting with the development of refined sensory perception during the three relative states of waking, dreaming, and sleeping. Perception and feeling reach their most sublime level, the finer and more glorious levels of creation are appreciated, and every impulse of thought and action is enriching to life (pp. 23-6?23-7). The sixth state is referred to as God consciousness, because the individual is capable of perceiving and appreciating the full range and mechanics of creation and experiences waves of love and devotion for the creation and its creator. Thus, in this state one not only experiences inner peace, but profoundly loving and peaceful relationships are cultivated with all others." http://www.mum.edu/m_effect/alexander/index.html > > > > > > How would an atheist interpret the part about experiencing love and devotion for the creator? > > > He's stated it different ways in other talks on the subject, IIRC. > > > > > I note the phrase "profoundly loving and peaceful relationships are cultivated with all others." Do you believe that MMY was in this state? How do you reconcile it with his behavior which often showed impatience with others. > > > > How do I not I recall the story of him screaming at the Indian workers who > were slacking off while doing work, and when the TM students asked how > he could justify that when he had said that one should always speak kindly to > other people and his response was "Yes, but you must speak to them > in a language they can understand." Well that story doesn't put MMY in a good light. > > > > > > You could also read this description as rather ordinary. I appreciate creation, and I have felt waves of love and devotion for creation. I think many have. Though it is a rare person who has profoundly loving and peaceful relationships cultivated with ALL others. I slack off there. > > > > I'm not touching unity consciousness yet. > > > > Shrugs > > > L >
