--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltabl...@...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
>
[Curtis wrote:]
> > > Sure it does.  Anyone who doesn't participate in the
> > > traditional religious interpretation of meditation
> > > experiences can enjoy it as a secular practice.  And
> > > it is also not required to believe that you are
> > > experiencing something trans-personal just because
> > > it feels that way.
> > 
> > Wait. How does this jibe with your objection to Lynch's
> > program?
> 
> I am talking about how I approach Meditation,not how
> it is taught which is the relevant thing for schools.

None of what you describe is required for TM. It's 
taught *as a secular practice*. And it's not required
that you believe you are experiencing something
transpersonal, whether it feels that way or not.

> The basic 3 days checking course is full of religious
> belief about what is happening in TM

Such as, specifically?

(In any case, we don't know yet exactly how the follow-
up is going to be taught in Lynch's project.)

> If I was hanging out with monks and joined them in the
> Jesus prayer (using the name of Jesus as a mantra to
> transcend) then I would be doing it as a secular
> practice. But that doesn't mean that it is OK to teach
> the Jesus prayer in schools does it?

Bad analogy. "Jesus" is the name of a (probably)
historical personage well known to almost everyone
to be central to a specific religion, not a 
semantically meaningless Sanskrit sound.

> Despite TM teacher's denials, I believe TM is a
> religious practice supported by traditional religious 
> interpretations of the experience.

But they're taught to teach it as a secular practice
supported by nonsectarian metaphysical principles.

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