--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <kirk_bernha...@...> wrote: > > You didn't have my POV, why?
To which POV are you referring? Unless I've missed something,I don't think of you as a TM critic. Anyway, not getting a mention is probably a good thing. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "raunchydog" <raunchy...@...> > To: <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:53 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews > > > TM cannot exist without the TMO. Warts and all, it is the only organization > capable of teaching TM so that it remains TM, a simple mental technique, > rather than some watered down version that loses its effectiveness. > Maharishi's great gift to the world was a systematic way to allow the mind > to transcend. > > IMO the foundation of Maharishi's worldwide TMO is secure enough to endure > leadership foibles and growing pains just as it always has. It will always > have detractors, saints, dummies and TM teachers off the reservation who > will teach, who knows what. Regardless, the TMO is the only reliable glue > that can hold the teaching of TM together in perpetuity or at least for a > very long time. > > "I am the eternal," thinks the TMO kitsch and crowns are funny and since the > TM "works" as advertised, he is content to let sleeping dogs lie. So don't > bother telling him about other meditations. > > I agree with Eternal. I give TMO goofiness a pass because "TM works as > advertised" However, TM critics, each from unique perspectives, routinely > argue, "TM does not work." Let's start with the usual suspects. > > Curtis: > "TM doesn't work for me and besides, most people stop TM. Obviously, it > doesn't "work" for them either. So, you arrogant bunch of SOB's, don't > presume you have the keys to a kingdom that does not exist or mislead > children into practicing a religion, which will eventually disappoint them > as I have been." > > Barry, master of non-sequitur: > "TM doesn't work? Well, neither does Purusha for that matter." > > Edg: > Apart from his disappointment with himself and the TMO, I really don't know > what Edg thinks about TM and whether or not it "works." > > Vaj: > "Uhm..Buddhist meditation good, TM bad. TM not work." (Bonk!) "Take that, TM > vermin!" Vaj exclaims as he projectile vomits longwinded Google posts about > the minutia of superior Buddhist meditation. "Fie! TM'er scum will > reincarnate as dogs and cats!" says he. > > The most interesting and personally encouraging thing I discovered in this > thread is that there are a few TMO critics who, although they think TM > "works," their only real complaint is about the TMO's perceived flaws and > not TM. Somehow, they have managed to appreciate the value of TM despite > everything else being up for grabs in the TMO grumble machine. Here is the > difficulty; defining exactly what is a wrong with the TMO is debatable and > IMO, ultimately unimportant. > > Guyfawkes: > "TM on its own is pretty good, I quite like it.It's a poison that gets into > the group psyche, just like Bush and his minions getting off on torturing > people." > > Over the top hyperbole, much? Comparing TMO to Bush torturers? Really? > > "The TMO has definitely got the poison and it will be the end of the TMO > because it is the antithesis of what they're supposed to achieve." > > The TMO will always have a new crop of unattractive warts popping up here > and there who ever ends up running the show in the future. Every > organization has a political life whose leadership wrestles with its mission > for better or worse. We can complain endlessly about the TMO but I don't > doubt that TM will prevail on its own merits regardless of TMO buffoonery. > > "The best thing that can be said about TM in this situation is that at least > the calming influence stops the more extreme elements going around getting > physically violent with people." > > Well, thank God for that. Heaven knows, that had it not been for the calming > effect of TM, those extreme TMers (who happen to be underweight vegetarians) > just might have organized a pogrom against the non-TMers of Fairfield, > marshaled some righteous pitchforks and poked non-believers in the ass until > they agreed to learn TM. > > "Which is what normally happens when people get the idea that they're so > noble that they should dominate the rest of humanity. It's just mental and > verbal violence." > > Armies, dominate. TM'ers meditate. I just don't get it that anyone needs to > fear a few guys wearing crowns and robes. Think of it as playing "dress up." > Catholic priests wear some pretty cool robes and hats as well. Don't sweat > the small stuff. Enjoy the view. > > "The people in the audience now have a proper answer to their question "what > do you mean by invincibility". At the time DL tried to fudge the answer to > mean peace and love, but now we know it's the same "invincibility" that > Hitler wanted, smash your enemies and make everyone fear you." > > Again, this is over the top hyperbole. Maharishi never spoke of > invincibility in the sense that Hitler thought of it, and you know it. > > Guyfawkes, you and I may agree or disagree about the shenanigans of the TMO > but despite it all, I am grateful that we can agree that TM "works." It > gives me hope that people will continue to learn and enjoy TM for many years > to come. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91" <guyfawkes91@> wrote: > > > > > > > In either case, it is a mistake to judge the value of TM by the actions > > > of an idiot or a saint. There is no measure of idiocy or sainthood > > > before, during or after TM. Whether we witness the actions of Schiffgens > > > the buffoon, Lynch the angel of mercy or Bevan the fascist bully, TM > > > will prevail as wholly separate from them. > > > > > > > TM on its own is pretty good, I quite like it. The problems arise when > > people get the idea that noble ends justify ignoble means. It's a poison > > that gets into the group psyche, just like Bush and his minions getting > > off on torturing people. They justify it to themselves on the basis that > > they meant well and the goal was noble. The TMO has definitely got the > > poison and it will be the end of the TMO because it is the antithesis of > > what they're supposed to achieve. > > > > The best thing that can be said about TM in this situation is that at > > least the calming influence stops the more extreme elements going around > > getting physically violent with people. Which is what normally happens > > when people get the idea that they're so noble that they should dominate > > the rest of humanity. It's just mental and verbal violence. > > > > The people in the audience now have a proper answer to their question > > "what do you mean by invincibility". At the time DL tried to fudge the > > answer to mean peace and love, but now we know it's the same > > "invincibility" that Hitler wanted, smash your enemies and make everyone > > fear you. > > > > Victory Before War! > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links >
