--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" <boo_li...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <geezerfreak@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the > > > > > reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, > > > > > putting a mental check mark of "cultwhipped" in the Raunch column. > > > > > There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge > > > > > credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when > > > > > the chances of understanding are nil. > > > > > > > > > > I wanna be like you when I grow up. > > > > > > > > > > > > No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart > > > > that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her > > > > posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement > > > > beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard > > > > routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! > > > > > > > > Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two > > > > weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the > > > > insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the > > > > Duomo! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice. It's > > > interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism as the > > > idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of the > > > cynic. "Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can fly. > > > Sister, you are in serious need of cult deprogramming." So certain, the > > > cynic of his beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of caution, he never > > > stops to think he might be to one in need of deprogramming. > > > > > > > spot on- the cynics are not above the naivete of the idealist, just 180 > > degrees opposed. they have exactly same emotional attachment in being rock > > solid in their assumptions, and desire to fix the outcome of the object in > > question- in this case the practice of TM. > > > > the cynic and the idealist (or 'TB' and 'anti-TB') are both attempting to > > do the same thing, predict the future by eliminating ambiguity, and resist > > change. > > > 2 people each with over 30 yrs experience practicing tm and working within > the tmo or living in ffld have a discussion here about their disappointments > and dislikes regarding their experiences with the tmo and immediately another > person feels the fervent need to come into that discussion and label them > "cynics" trying to crush all good and idealism in the world. sorry, that is > not a distinction between cynics and idealists, but just a fundamentalist > getting pissed off that someone left their sect. > > someone who pooh poohs tm because they think MMY laughs funny or because all > meditation is flaky is a cynic, not someone sincerely discussing their 30 yrs > experience. > > and someone who gets tired of fake idealistic talk and groupthink in favor of > a more real path is still an idealist. > Curtis labeled himself as a cynic. I labeled myself as an idealist. In between, we live in shades of gray. The cynic who insists the world is black or white, does indeed live to crush idealism. There isn't any wiggle room in their life for beauty, magic and surrender of the heart. It makes them feel ill. If someone says they believe in unicorns, the cynic's blood boils with excitement at the thought of packing the unicorn believer into a box and sending them off to the trash compactor.
Curtis is not a cynic who lives in a black and white world. He is an idealistic cynic, a purist, a magnanimous spirit, confident enough in himself to treat the unicorn believer with respect. When it comes to Maharishi and I wear my heart on my sleeve, I am well aware that I have made myself a target for derision from cynics living in the world of black and white. Curtis trusts his instincts, has a genuine interest in truthful self-inquiry and courageous go-it-alone attitude about his spiritual path. I respect his choice. I choose differently. Maharishi never failed or mislead me. I have always felt confident in his direction. There is no right or wrong in any of this. Curtis loves his spiritual path and I love mine.
