--- In [email protected], "raunchydog" <raunchy...@...> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "boo_lives" <boo_lives@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], enlightened_dawn11 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues"
> > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" <geezerfreak@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the
> > > > > > reality of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on,
> > > > > > putting a mental check mark of "cultwhipped" in the Raunch column.
> > > > > > There's no reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you
> > > > > > huge credit for your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason
> > > > > > when the chances of understanding are nil.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanna be like you when I grow up.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of
> > > > > heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in
> > > > > her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about
> > > > > movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical
> > > > > bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two
> > > > > weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the
> > > > > insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the
> > > > > Duomo!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice.
> > > > It's interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism
> > > > as the idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of
> > > > the cynic. "Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can
> > > > fly. Sister, you are in serious need of cult deprogramming." So
> > > > certain, the cynic of his beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of
> > > > caution, he never stops to think he might be to one in need of
> > > > deprogramming.
> > > >
> > >
> > > spot on- the cynics are not above the naivete of the idealist, just 180
> > > degrees opposed. they have exactly same emotional attachment in being
> > > rock solid in their assumptions, and desire to fix the outcome of the
> > > object in question- in this case the practice of TM.
> > >
> > > the cynic and the idealist (or 'TB' and 'anti-TB') are both attempting to
> > > do the same thing, predict the future by eliminating ambiguity, and
> > > resist change.
> > >
> > 2 people each with over 30 yrs experience practicing tm and working within
> > the tmo or living in ffld have a discussion here about their
> > disappointments and dislikes regarding their experiences with the tmo and
> > immediately another person feels the fervent need to come into that
> > discussion and label them "cynics" trying to crush all good and idealism in
> > the world. sorry, that is not a distinction between cynics and idealists,
> > but just a fundamentalist getting pissed off that someone left their sect.
> >
> > someone who pooh poohs tm because they think MMY laughs funny or because
> > all meditation is flaky is a cynic, not someone sincerely discussing their
> > 30 yrs experience.
> >
> > and someone who gets tired of fake idealistic talk and groupthink in favor
> > of a more real path is still an idealist.
> >
> Curtis labeled himself as a cynic. I labeled myself as an idealist. In
> between, we live in shades of gray. The cynic who insists the world is black
> or white, does indeed live to crush idealism. There isn't any wiggle room in
> their life for beauty, magic and surrender of the heart. It makes them feel
> ill. If someone says they believe in unicorns, the cynic's blood boils with
> excitement at the thought of packing the unicorn believer into a box and
> sending them off to the trash compactor.
>
> Curtis is not a cynic who lives in a black and white world. He is an
> idealistic cynic, a purist, a magnanimous spirit, confident enough in himself
> to treat the unicorn believer with respect. When it comes to Maharishi and I
> wear my heart on my sleeve, I am well aware that I have made myself a target
> for derision from cynics living in the world of black and white. Curtis
> trusts his instincts, has a genuine interest in truthful self-inquiry and
> courageous go-it-alone attitude about his spiritual path. I respect his
> choice. I choose differently. Maharishi never failed or mislead me. I have
> always felt confident in his direction. There is no right or wrong in any of
> this. Curtis loves his spiritual path and I love mine.
>
I have no problem with that at all.
