On Jul 6, 2005, at 8:44 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:

> Yogis talk about the desirability of awareness with
> no thoughts, but the experience struck me as
> imbalanced, perhaps because I intended to think
> but could not.

Well *some yogis* consider this desirable, others less so. It's said 
among some schools of yogis that becoming an expert in the thought-free 
"calm state" can lead to reincarnation in a formless realm. This raises 
an interesting possibility: "is non-ideation" an object of meditation?

My feeling is it can be.

In some schools of meditation, once the calm state is achieved, 
recognized and made stable, we move on to integrating thought with calm 
and then eventually simply experiencing thoughts and movement as 
non-dual. The nice thing about the latter is that if you can be 
spacious enough to experience thoughts and calm as one whole, those 
thoughts which arise dissipate and occur less and less. If they do 
occur, they need not linger. This is extremely relaxing to experience 
and helpful at the same time. The mind becomes much more flexible. In 
order to do this though, we have to dissolve even the idea and process 
of *meditating*.

Who meditates?

Hmmm.



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