--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > So you don't think any of MMY's teaching about
> > > the nature of realization is accurate or useful
> > > from the vantage point of ignorance?  
> > 
> > No, I don't, particularly. Rather, at a certain point it appears 
to 
> > allow one to more or less happily remain in ignorance, locked 
into a 
> > conceptual framework of other-than-now and a belief in fully 
> > automatic, painless, effortless, mythical enlightenment "by-and-
by," 
> > measuring oneself by our ideas of criteria set by others, not by 
> > those actual criteria honestly set by oneself. In other words, 
seen 
> > from one vantage point it appears to be truly magnificent at 
keeping 
> > many people asleep. While the description of the states of 
> > consciousness is stunningly beautiful, even this at best is a 
> > conceptual fairy-tale  :-)
> 
> Never been said better.  Thank you.

It may be a fairy tale, but there are plenty of people who have 
bought into this limiting story who still report 24/7 witnessing for 
years at a time. There have been studies published in scientific 
journals on them.




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