--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@...> wrote:
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> --- In [email protected], maskedzebra <no_reply@> wrote:
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> > You don't acknowledge self realization as anything special anyway, so you
> > can't have it both ways, can't push against something that according to you
> > does not exist. And if that's your game, you're a troll - not that there's
> > anything wrong with it.
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> > May I correct your assumption here? I do acknowledge self realization as
> > "special". It does exist�as a subjective experience supported and
> > sustained by those Vedic gods. In this sense it can even be said to have an
> > objective existence. It's just that it is not Reality's (God's?) idea of
> > something that represents what Reality (or God) is. I convinced all the
> > persons (they had to be doing TM to get this, however) who were around me
> > for ten years that I was in Unity Consciousness. And I believe to this day,
> > that I WAS in such a state of consciousness. It's just that at one point I
> > realized very definitively and in an uncontradictible [if there be such a
> > word] way that my state of consciousness did NOT embody reality. It was a
> > very remarkable and convincing hallucination.
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> MMY basically said that unless you can perform the siddhis at any time, you
> can't really lay claim to being in Unity.
Yebbut how does this tie in with MMY's notion that all action is performed by
the 3 gunas (of course its not only his notion)? "I" might think "I"'m "in"
"unity" (better perhaps: there might be a perception that unity is present),
but the 3 gunas might not be inclined to perform any siddhis right now (or ever
in my lifetime) thank you very much. So according to MMY unity won't
necessarily correlate with the performance of siddhis. And I believe that,
according to MMY, the converse is also true (i.e. that the performance of
siddhis doesn't necessarily imply unity)...
It's a bit like the notion of nature support - seems to be meaningless except
in "waking state". My conclusion would be that there's no proof possible of
someone being "in unity". Perhaps the best that could be done would to be
correlate reports of unity with specific physiological signatures.
