[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote:
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> On Jun 21, 2011, at 7:47 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Of course it could be both. ANd I don't see much distinction, if any, 
> >>> since MMY also said that CC was required to be stabilized before GC or UC 
> >>> could be stabilized.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> One is effortful, one is effortless.
> >> 
> > Well, siddhis practice is only effortful in comparison to TM practice and 
> > even that is open to debate...
> > 
> >> One is technically a fabrication, the other is purely spontaneous. That's 
> >> actually a HUGE difference, no?
> >> 
> > 
> > And in my experience, and most others I have talked to, one doesn't 
> > "attain" even the "flavor" of a sutra through effort.
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> 
> In TM-speak you'd really be talkin' about "at the level of impulse" - at 
> least that subtle?
>

That's not "TM-speak." I've never heard a meditator use such a phrase.