Thanks, and best regards to you!
--- In [email protected], "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote:
>
> Doc,
> Yep, good writing.
> Nice perspective of experience.
> Best Regards,
> -Buck
>
> --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > (couldn't figure out why my response to you wasn't posting, until I saw you
> > had modified your post). Anyway, the previous one was better, and included
> > the relevant portions of Xeno's post, so I kept my response, as it was,
> > without an update:
> >
> > Ok, I'll start here. By the way, Ravi, I am not on some kind of vendetta
> > towards you. You said some things that pissed me off, and I wanted to let
> > you know it. Unless you have more to say about it, I don't.
> >
> > Regarding Xeno's post, I'll take it from here: (snipped his intro and some
> > other stuff for clarity)
> >
> > XA:
> > > > Especially with initial experiences there is a strong tendency, of which
> > > > we are usually almost completely unaware, to be full of ourselves. We
> > > > now
> > > > 'know' something others do not know. Our ego co-ops the experience and
> > > > we
> > > > strut around like total ass holes with our new-found toy.
> >
> > **Before addressing your sweeping generalization, I'd like to touch on
> > context. This forum serves as a sounding board for spiritual expression.
> > Put another way, nothing is out of bounds, nor considered absolute here.
> >
> > Therefore, and considering there are some who can appreciate the
> > expression, I will sometimes discuss elements of my enlightenment, and am
> > always careful to point out that initial liberation is merely a marker,
> > like CC. Personal growth never, ever stops - I think everyone here agrees
> > with that statement, regardless of which side of the enlightenment divide,
> > we sit on.
> >
> > I do not really know where I am relative to the seven states of
> > consciousness that Maharishi set out. I remember CC quite well, and someone
> > said it is the state where we relate to the Silence within us, but are most
> > divorced from anything on the outside. We don't yet embrace the outside as
> > ourselves. Still capable of individual love, but not yet universal love.
> >
> > Very true, and a hugely painful place to live. One that I confronted as
> > much as possible, to get me the hell out of there as quickly as possible.
> > Very unpleasant - poor emotional integration in CC. We have the whole
> > world, only it is still us, and them. Leaks into the outer environment also
> > - not just someplace like FFL, but real life as well.
> >
> > So, if I could try to explain what has happened since the onset of CC
> > (early 2005), I would say that life events became increasingly challenging
> > and stressful, imagine that, culminating in an almost unbearable intensity
> > for about the last four years, and the only path for survival I had, was
> > straight through the middle. Everyone and everything dear to me was
> > slipping away from me, and I could do nothing but place myself in the
> > center of it, and manage through it.
> >
> > This forced me to transcend the wall of ignorance I saw before me in CC, to
> > something much more accessible and wonderful. A new, fresh world, of
> > authentic human beings, each one a miracle in their own right. A life in
> > general full of wonder. So many mysteries to be tickled by, and innocently
> > discovered.
> >
> > By continuing to break down that wall between me and you, I have been able
> > to experience everything, more and more, simply as myself - an identity
> > shift. I enjoy some parts of myself more than others - lol, and I have
> > always been my harshest critic. There is constant room for growth and
> > acceptance within me, and an insatiable thirst for discovery and growth.
> >
> > So it is an interesting thing that my personality has not changed much, nor
> > is it apparent through my outer expression, that the things I say of
> > "others" are speaking to those elements of myself, as them. My identity now
> > includes them, and you, and the other.
> >
> > Condemnation and truly giving up on another are impossible, because I would
> > be doing the same to me. However, a good (written) kick in the butt, never
> > hurt anyone, including me. Aim carefully, though. :-)
> >
> > If I missed anything, please let me know. Thanks.
> >
> > And if we are
> > > > more aged and mature and we have a truly deep insight, this may, almost
> > > > certainly, occur to some extent, and it can be very subtle, and we may
> > > > be
> > > > unaware yet, of its insidious presence. In some traditions this is
> > > > called
> > > > the 'stink of enlightenment'. It can last for years and years.
> > > >
> > > > Now I am making up some rules here (and copping some from various
> > > > teachers):
> > > >
> > > > *If you are still seeking a higher level of experience, you are not
> > > > liberated.
> > > >
> > > > *If you feel the realisations you have had are important, that you look
> > > > back on them, you are not liberated.
> > > >
> > > > *If you do not see that enlightenment is a kind of cosmic joke, but is a
> > > > deadly serious goal, you are not liberated.
> > > >
> > > > *If you think you have a new, improved relationship with the universe,
> > > > you
> > > > are not liberated.
> > > >
> > > > *If you think others lack enlightenment or the capacity thereto, you are
> > > > not liberated. That does not mean you are absent the full value of
> > > > enlightenment or ever were.
> > > >
> > > > *These rules are baloney but if applied properly may keep one from
> > > > tripping over one's own feet to some extent. Do not pay attention to the
> > > > man manipulating behind the curtain, unless that man is you.
> > > >
> > > > It is really a stretch to claim enlightenment because realisation brings
> > > > absolutely nothing new to life, gives one nothing that one can lord over
> > > > others, gives one nothing one can give to others, gives one nothing that
> > > > can improve others. A thorn to remove a thorn as M said, a delusion to
> > > > remove a delusion. The path is a smokescreen to trick one into letting
> > > > everything go.
> > > >
> > > > Everyone here on FFL is your friend, if you see the world without a chip
> > > > in your eye.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > "Maharishi also once called CC a stepping stone."
> > >
> > > Oh wow - that would explain a lot of things with Jim.
> > >
> > > A young skinny Jim while washing dishes at a remote TM center somewhere in
> > > the Midwest hears this cool teacher Barry brag to a chick - "Maharishi sez
> > > CC is a stepping stone".
> > >
> > > Jimbo soon moves on, because he was never smart enough, cool enough, rich
> > > enough - but he never forgets. Time flies by but he always remembers that
> > > "CC is a stepping stone" as he retires every night.
> > >
> > > Soon Jimbo is no longer skinny. Lots of water has flown down the Ganges
> > > and
> > > Jimbo is now a clearly weary middle aged, rather..how do I put this in a
> > > sensitive, politically correct way, well rather obese, who swears he won't
> > > return wherever unless he is enlightened. He begins his quest for the
> > > magic
> > > stone CC.
> > >
> > > He hasn't forgotten what Barry had once said. He knows he has to step on
> > > CC
> > > to scale the wall of samsaara and haul his sorry, obese ass to GC and
> > > beyond.
> > >
> > > But Jimbo being an idiot had failed to take into account that the magic
> > > stone CC was built by skinny, starving Indian yogis who prided on their
> > > life-abnegating, masochistic skills as spirituality to masquerade their
> > > lack of materialistic opportunities. They clearly hadn't bargained a
> > > society materially rich where people enjoyed life and that there would be
> > > the possibility of an obese albiet weary Jimbo trying to step on it. It
> > > was
> > > only designed to handle 160 pounds !!!
> > >
> > > Well Jimbo stepped onto CC enthusiastically as he lurched to scale the
> > > wall
> > > of samsara. But poor Humpty Dumpty Jim landed on his sorry, obese ass. He
> > > was humiliated, ashamed, embarrassed as CC split into two little C's.
> > >
> > > Oh how sad poor Jim must have been - I have tears in my eyes just
> > > contemplating that pathetic scene.
> > >
> > > This had a tremendous impact on Humpty Dumpty Jim. He recalled that
> > > enlightened was hard to measure in one's actions - he had many, many
> > > inane,
> > > banal platitudes by heart. Out of his incredible pain and sadness came a
> > > beautiful story of his purported Enlightenment.
> > >
> > > Which of course didn't convince Bob Price who after a couple of minutes of
> > > watching Jim's interview started cleaning CD's - but whatever. Jimbo -
> > > this
> > > is terrible, I think I may well refrain from making fun of your
> > > enlightenment. I can see why your buttons get pushed anytime people start
> > > criticizing Maharishi, TM and now Girish. You can't help it - I'm sorry I
> > > pissed you off, I didn't know your Enlightenment was hiding all this pain
> > > of your humiliation.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nice list, Xeno. Maharishi also once called CC a stepping stone. Good
> > > > or
> > > > something like that. But a stepping stone.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > *From:* Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartaxius@>
> > > > *To:* [email protected]
> > > > *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2013 10:46 AM
> > > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Barry and Curtis's hubris [was Re: A lie is
> > > > only a lie]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <snip Guru Xeno's inane, banal platitudes>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
