--- In [email protected], "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Incredibly complex and heavily-invested relationship for two > people who have never met, I must say. And the value for you > appears to be "saving the world by outing Barry, day by day"?
Maybe saving him from himself too. But that's been mostly on alt.m.t. Although he started out on this forum--well before I even got here--by trashing me (I suspect in order to "prepare" the group in case I decided to turn up), and lying about me once I was here, once I'd cleared up the lies, I was willing to leave him alone if he left me alone and didn't misrepresent alt.m.t. Unfortunately, that didn't work out. And I'll just observe once again how interesting it is that *I* get all the flak, while nobody seems to want to chide Barry. > Kinda thin, I would think, but that's your choice and not mine. > > You equate *right-wingers* with phoniness and dishonesty, it > would appear. Seems rather pejorative of you, frankly. I thought > "right-wingers" were supposed to be the bigots on the planet? > > Bigotry in its essence is categorizing people by > one shared trait and then assuming that they share > many other, undesirable traits as an inevitable result of that one > shared trait. "Everyone knows that all blacks are thieves, liars, > etc.", or "All Jews are skinflints and tax cheats, etc.," or > "All right-wingers are phony, dishonest hypocrites." You confirm my impression that your thinking gets very fuzzy when you're feeling hostile. Try to sharpen it up a bit: is there some salient difference between being black, being Jewish, and being a right-winger? Which of these three is not like the other two? I'm quite > sure none of these statements are true, and my certainty comes > from direct experience of people who contradict those statements. > > Tom Pall, on the other hand, would probably hold the first two to > be true. You sure you want to be in his "proud to be a bigot" camp? > > Although you did qualify it with "most", so I guess there is a > slender ray of hope for those of us who believe both in being > fiscally and personally responsible (which is how I define > "right-wing") and in being quite authentic in our personal > relationships. I could have added "in my experience and observation," but I sort of assumed that would be taken for granted. > And, no I do not much care for George Bush, so please don't let > your "all right-wingers love George Bush" bigotry kick in, either. Hmm, did I ever say or suggest anything like that? You also have a tendency to make a lot of unfounded assumptions. > No one speaks for me or decides for me other than myself. > > I appreciate your obvious intelligence and wit, but your zeal gets > to be a bit much, at times. Maybe it's just too painful for most > people to be "authentic" with you for very long because you give > them an in-depth laundry list of everything that's wrong with them > now or has been wrong in the past, or that will be wrong with them > in the future? No, I don't think so. What was your phrase, "pretty thin"? I notice you had no comment on this: > > Think for a moment about how he'd be likely > > to react if somebody indicated they thought there > > was something wrong with him because a city (or > > anything else) they liked didn't appeal to him > > (not to mention suggesting he'd really never > > been there). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
