--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <snip> > > > Strip clubs exploit women as sex objects. > > > > Yes and no. I've had several clients who were > "exotic" > > dancers and they absolutely hated the work, but > loved > > the money. What bothered them most was not their > > nudity or physical contact with the men, but the > > pretending to be attracted to and interested in > the > > men. Also the relating of the men to them as sex > > objects was very wearing. > > What part of this is "no"--that they loved the > money? How is this not exploiting them as sex > objects? It's like taking a crappy, low-paying job. Are you being exploited? In one way, yes, but you are choosing to take the job. You don't have to take the job, so the term "exploitation" is too strong. > They didn't mind the nudity or physical contact, > but they didn't like men relating to them as > sex objects. Er, how *else* are men going to > relate to naked women who are having physical > contact with them and pretending to be attracted > to them in a strip club? You need to see men in a strip club, which I doubt you have. There is a lot of talking going on as well as what would be expected. > I don't really think you've got any "nos" in > there, Peter. You've got women working at a > demeaning job because it's presumably the only > way they can find to make a decent living. The "exotic" dancers I saw as clients could get other jobs (all of them had BA's or BS's) but they had drug problems and personality disorders. It was an "easy " way to make money quickly. >snip > > And you really don't think it reflects > negatively on Charlie Lutes that he > participated in this kind of thing? Not really. As a culture I think we are very confused about sex and spirituality. Charlie's attempt to cover-up his reason for being there, if it is true, is more disturbing to me than him going to a strip club. > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
